hana sl or one of the AT-ART9?

I really like the Lyra cartridges, but the Delos that I tried is IMO a weak model in the line-up, especially when compared to other competitors in the same price range. The old AT ART-9 outperformed it in my setup when I had it for home trial.

On a low/medium mass arm like yours, I would prefer a Phasemation PP500 if you have the budget or a PP200 which is much lower in terms of price but I heard great things from people I trust. Another option would be the Dynavector XX2. I really disliked the entry level Dynavectors (10X5 and 20X2L), but the models above are really great value for money I feel, especially the XX2 and the XVI for which I'm saving money :)

Haven't heard the new AT ART-9, but if it was improved versus the old version, it should be a great cartridge and a serious contender to the above options. 

I friend uses an ART 9 and also has the top Hana and to be honest in his system VPI Prime21 the Art 9 is better over all. Over all the Hana was great just didn't dig as deep into the music or detail level in his system as the ART 9. 

AT have from what i read updated the ART series and there is a replacement for the ART9's now. 

anyway 

thanks,
the PP500 is twice price than the new art-9.
i'll read about the others mentioned.
if i count on the compliance match suggestion so the AT-ART9XI (15) is better match than the AT-ART9XA (10).
habermas
do you remember i what areas the AT ART-9 outperformed the delos?

@stone1 I only know the European prices, here the PP500 is at 2200€ vs. 1700€ for the AT ART-9XI/XA... You might wanna have a look on their new entry level they introduced last year, the PP200. It has rave reviews from reviewers and real-life people I know. On your side of the Atlantic it seems to retail at 1800$.

The Delos lacked body and dynamics vs. the ART-9. And most of all, in contrary to the higher end Lyra cartridges like the Skala and the Kleos that I heard many times on my dealer’s and fellow audiophiles’ systems, it just wasn’t involving with the music I was listening. Like it’s just sounds and not music. In that regard, I would say that the Delos is at the bottom among the AT ART9 and Hana ML that I mentioned before.

Regarding cartridge compliance, the issue with the figures quoted by Japanese producers is that they measure it at 100Hz, while the Vinyl Engine table is intended for compliance measured at 10Hz. The real measured values are usually significantly higher for these cartridges. For example, the Phasemation cartridges’ compliance values are given at 10 at 100Hz but are in reality 18 when measured by the European distributor. So perfectly matched for low & medium mass tonearms. For the Audio Technicas, it’s the same story, you can multiply the values by at least 1.5 for the purpose of compliance matching with the Vinyl Engine table. Both options will be fine,

Just keep in mind that the XA version that puts out 0.2mV will require 8 dB higher gain in your SUT/phonostage section than the XI. That means any grounding issues, phono cables and other noises must be impeccable in order to fully enjoy the cartridge.

Just my 2 cents

habermas
the new art 9 in the usa where i am planning to buy a cartridge and phono is 1290$
are you sure its 1700 euro?
pp200 is 1800 $ and the 500 around 3200 $.
i used this article for the compliance. suggestions.
https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/tonearm-cartridge-compatability/
but you are right since they are talking here on 10 and not 100.
so what you are saying is that when the cartridge producer write 10/100 its realy much higher in terms of European?
i know about the 0.2 mv of the AT-ART9XA
i am thinking about the AT-ART9XI but haven't finally decided yet