Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

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@mahgister 

I totally get what you mean, you can stand up for yourself.  But when someone comes in swearing and being totally disrespectful, this creates a negative atmosphere, and when let to fester gets out of control.  It's best to deal with it right away.

An anecdote:

I had only two real "heavy" discussions here for the last 7 years...

One i will pass over...No relation to audio matters...

But the second one was also with someone i disagree with and it was about audio matter... . Our discussion last 2 months daily here...

The man was a very knowledgeable man in audio, way more than most here, me included ( I know this for a fact trust me)...

But no one is perfect...

I realized discussing "heavily" with him that he was not right about something important in audio : the timbre perception...

To make a story short i am indebdted to him so much , i wrote to him to thank him at the end in spite of the "heavy" sometimes hard discussion, because without him i would had never made my most important personal discovery in acoustic/psycho-acoustic...

Then you will understand why i try to appreciate all people, even if i heavily disagree with some, and why discussion based on arguments are so important...

My search to answer him because his knowledge was more than mine in all audio aspects , teach me a lot... At the end i made my most important discovery and i am greatly thankful to him... And he was perceived as a "troll" and act sometimes like one and he provoked some reaction in me not always positive because i am not perfect either...

Imagine now that this dude has been banned from here or cancelled because some described him as a troll?

i will have never made my search in acoustic to answer him and i will had never made my discovery...

Than my most precious moment here were with someone i disagree completely about something...I thank him till today...

Our best adviser are sometimes some we call our foes...

I dont want censorship of any kind... Save restricting the amount of insults someone can give to another one for sure...Politeness and arguments only....

 

 

For sure you are right about this kind of behaviour...What differentiate us is the amount of tolerance perhaps and  the way we can judge circonstance ...But you are right about the principle... I dont want to disagree with you on this at all...

But when someone comes in swearing and being totally disrespectful, this creates a negative atmosphere, and when let to fester gets out of control. It’s best to deal with it right away.

For sure you are right about this kind of behaviour...What differentiate us is the amount of tolerance perhaps and circonstance ...But you are right about the principle... I dont want to disagree with you on this...

I understand where you are coming from here.  You are willing to put up with so much BS because in the end it's worth it.  I get it. But for others participating in the thread or others looking in, it's an ugly situation.