Amir and Blind Testing

Sorry but the way a piece of gear could be evaluated is in a specific ROOM ONLY ... Not by an electrical partial chosen set of measures ONLY ...CORRELATION BETWEEN MEASURES AND ROOM is NECESSARY ...

That was my point...

I know perfectly well that there is all kind of people in this site, even acousticians...

But claiming that a piece of gear is "bad" without listening it in a controlled acoustic is BULLSHIT...And this is what Amir does often and his disciples who attack "deluded audiophile" if you know what i means...

And it is perfectly possible to tune a room by ears, i have done it to my satisfaction AT NO COST...It is not perfect but it works...Helmholtz did it before me and the Egyptian...

I dont need any headphones now nor any upgrade nor any advice by fools who think measuring some aspects of a dac without listening to it is the way to chose one...

Then read me right... Iam not a deluded audiophile nor a deluded measuring fool...

If there exist only 2 cases in your audio brain; deluded audiophile and measuring fool, add a third one for me...call it CORRELATING EARS AND MEASURES guy...

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I understood quite clearly what you posted. You without any lack of clarity accused the users of the Audio Science site of ignorance wrt the need for room acoustic treatment. I will post it again.

Their common point is a total ignborance of acoustic condition because they need electrical tools they dont need to tune a room... All rooms are equal for their activities....

By the way i dont pretend to teach their job to acoustician...

I pretend to have been able to tune my room..

Then dont put in my mouth what serve your goal...

And in case you dont know it, SMALL ROOM acoustic is a recent field in acoustic science investigations ... The market for small room acoustic is few decades old...Amphitheater exist for millenia...

i dont pretend to know anything, i only experimented 2 years non stop in my room...

And my room beat my 8 headphones... it is not perfect but it is enough for me..

And by the way the best acoustician in the world are on the net with their articles and books... They are not in the ASR site...And if they are there. did they contradict the idiotic way to judge a piece of gear by numbers alone ? Inform me about that i dont know... 😊

How do you think i learn to tune my room? By consulting acoustician articles on the internet...And creating my own experiments...

Serious Acousticians are not dwelling in audiophile forum for sure and not in your ASR site either , they WORK ...

Read my post right please before categorizing me in the "deluded audiophile "box your avatar name suggest....

I expect you went there and tried to tell some experts in acoustics how to do acoustics, and it was not well received.

I manufacture batteries @tonywinga , or more specifically I develop the technology for the batteries that are manufactured. The only thing I am defending is common sense and against those that try to look like they know what they are talking about when they really don't. This place is great for music suggestion, good for speakers, and I like looking at rooms for design ideas which is why I have read it over the years. Some of the best music suggestions you will find. Otherwise, too many people who are convinced of their expertise in all things audio though they have likely not seen a physics class since high school. They are easy to tell, they throw around terms like Bureau of Standards in 2022, even thought it was eliminated in the 1980's. At that point it becomes obvious they picked up a term from someone else who also did not know what they are talking about either. It's tedious, and it is disrespectful to spread false information under the guise of fake expertise to a community that supposedly you respect.

Dude is a ASR troll.

Mahgister, you appear unable to both form a coherent paragraph, nor stay on topic. Throwing out names like Helmholtz nor TYPING IN CAPS does not make your point any more succinct or accurate nor confer any expertise on you. You made a blanket statement that the users of Audio Science do not care about room acoustics. That is patently false. There is no walking that back. You made a false statement. It would be best to just admit it.

I hired an expert who participated on the Audio Science site. He came highly recommended and his references included professional studios, many business who set up studios, and high end residences. I had a great chat there with another gentleman who is a distinguished Bell Labs scientist. I have even ran into an old colleague from my TI days, I was working on a wafer process that was critical to a product he was lead on.  Oh, I also chatted with someone from Gik there too (the acoustic panel guys). So your claim about acoustics experts not participating there is also false. I did get directed to Gearslutz (now Gearspace) for a deeper dive into some acoustics discussions. The acoustics discussions are definitely deeper there, but of course more focused on studios and mixing spaces. The concepts are similar though.

I am not sure why you are comparing your room to headphones. They don't sound the same. That is an apples and orange comparison and does not mean anything.