Audiophiles on Audiogon.


During my time here, I have found some of you to be too opinionated - like your life depends upon what you think about audio gear. Holding on to one’s beliefs a bit too tightly is bad for the soul.

I was reading some content on the Ken Rockwell website, and then found an article entitled: "What is an audiophile?"

in the article, Ken says: Audiophiles are non-technical, non-musical kooks who imagine the darnedestly stupid things about audio equipment. Audiophiles are fun to watch; they’re just as confused at how audio equipment or music really works as primitive men like cargo cults are about airplanes.

 

Given my time on this forum and a few others, I have found his statements to be true. I mean, if you have an amplifier that costs say, $10,000, and you buy cables for $20,000, is that really going to improve the sound? (make the stereo image more accurate)

Or on the otherside, if you buy an amplifier for $1000 and then go buy the top of the line audioquest cables costing tens of thousands of dollars, then would the sound improve accordingly? After reading some of their literature, I cannot be sure they have an understanding of how electricrity works, much less the intricate details involving high-end audio systems.

And then we have power conditioning to consider. I have done extensive research online and it turns out that if your gear is really "high-end" it should already have a device inside that filters the incoming AC. Therefore, do you really need a power conditioner?

I learned about PS Audio products being spec-ed much higher than their measured performance. This is also true of the audio "power plants" that cost thousands of dollars. No really, tons of money to "regenerate" power with little to no sonic benefits.

Would love to hear what you guys think about these findings.

 

Oh, and high-end DACs?

This thing will outperform all your fancy gear.

jackhifiguy

We now have a pot and people to stir it. One guy’s opinion posted by another guy.

Mahgister, by the simple act of posting what you did, which could be wrong, you are, are you not, pretending to be right?

I agree in principle there is a better correlation to what can be readily seen in a photography image and how a person will perceive it, versus what happens with sound hitting our ears. Most of our discussion is not about sound though, it is about electricity. There is far less room for interpretation even if that will become a sound.

I think the bigger difference is in the perception of those participating in each hobby. We have no illusions in photography that a 2 dimensional photograph can ever accurately portray the full 3 dimensional experience of stereoscopic imagery. We not only readily accept deviations from accuracy, we encourage it. We want our reds redder, our blues bluer, we often want the background blurred to highlight the foreground, and we may even reduce the resolution on facial skin to hide blemishes. What’s more, we can readily compare the result side by side. In audio we have deluded ourselves that we are trying to recreate an original performance, when that is both impossible, but probably in most cases undesirable. We want the feel of a live performance, but all the benefits that exist because it was not recorded as a live performance would be experienced.

I concur with your observation for sure...

But the relation between recording an acoustic lived performance and "conveying" all the trade off choices of the recording engineer to a speakers/rooms/ears is more a TRANSLATION for me than a reproduction...I think you are ok with that...

Then what you call "delusion" about the obsessive  desire to recreate the original performance is right ...it is a delusion to some degree...

Then we are on the same page here...

 

But a remark about your first sentence , i apologize to say this to you, apply also to you...

Mahgister, by the simple act of posting what you did, which could be wrong, you are, are you not, pretending to be right?

i dont pretend to be ABSOLUTELY right on everything, i only discuss politely...

i respect your expertise...But when we express an opinion it is only that, here an opinion...

Must i stay silent and never answer or comment your post?

i can concur with your opinion like here not always dissent...

I like to learn and discuss...

 

 

«He never said "yes" to a possible bride because he could be wrong»-Groucho Marx 🤓

 

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Even if someone is really a troll , the best politic is ignoring him or answering him politely with logical arguments why?

Because even is someone is a troll, labelling him  a troll is also child play most of the times...

Labelling people "troll" is child play...

The OP is a troll.