Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

emailists

We have enshrined protections preventing discrimination on the basis of religion, sex, gender, ....... but perhaps are missing the big picture, discrimination for what you think.

I’ve yet to see any laws discriminating on what you think. Using platforms as a vehicle for hate, oppression, and elimination have to be regulated. Anything less is a fool’s idea of utopia.

This reminds me of the movie Forbidden Planet, where they find an old and great civilization that created a machine that could materialize everyone’s thoughts, wishes and imaginings, and in one night, they killed themselves in a mass genocide.

One scientist who tried the machine and died of it, said before passing on,
     "creatures from the Id...".

All the best,
Nonoise

 

Obviously there is a need for much stronger laws in this current technical environment to protect free speech. WHY? Because government has allowed private companies to take on responsibility for what would have traditionally been at some level "public utilities".

If you're saying that the internet should be regulated by the FCC the same as the airspace is for broadcast TV then that's a different discussion and not one I would necessarily be against.  

That has benefits to both the public with w.r.t. to protecting both not only the concept of free speech, but also for these entities as they stop being targets for malicious public abuse by the "mob".

No sure who this mob is you're talking about.  Are you advocating censorship of the mob? I can't boycott Hobby Lobby because I dislike their politics? 

 but perhaps are missing the big picture, discrimination for what you think.

I can think whatever I want, but no private entity is required to offer me a soapbox. You can stand on the sidewalk and picket but you can't go on private property and not expect pushback. 

@tylermunns

These days, both sides of the aisle are advocating censorship. It’s one thing to get it from one side, but now we’re getting from both sides. This is a disturbing trend, to say the least.

I consider it quite fair that someone, in light of these trends, would be alarmed to see people willingly and eagerly advocating censorship, regardless of the venue and their policies.

It’s one thing for the managers of a venue to implement restrictions on their patrons’ behavior, but it’s another thing to see the venue’s patrons REQUESTING a loss of freedom. It seems self-defeating, masochistic…I dunno…stupid? “I couldn’t help but notice there’s not enough censorship here, Mr. Director, may we please have some more?”

I will challenge this kind of thinking regardless of the venue, because I think it is bad and indicative of an accepted mode of thinking in our population that is more than complicit in the erosion of our freedoms.

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Me too.

It’s an unfortunate fact that because of the pyramid-shaped way that power structures are usually arranged, it’s often all too easy for unrepresentative pressure groups to have an unwarranted influence upon the way that policies are formed.

You could even argue that it’s directly lead to "cancel culture", an oxymoron if ever there was one. Speaking of which, yes you @nonoise, there do seem to be some among us here who appear to be constantly shouting.

Therefore it might be interesting to have someone from the forum administration to also chip in with their opinion on this subject.

For example, just how seriously do you take the OPs complaint?

Are some of us about to be ’cancelled’?

Is this forum about to be transformed into an advertising agency?

Questions, questions...

 

 

 

 

 

For example, just how seriously do you take the OPs complaint?

Are some of us about to be ’cancelled’?

The OP was complaining about me. If the owners of Audiogon want to cancel me or toss me off that's their prerogative.  It's the price I paid when I voluntarily joined this site and agreed to their terms.