How do you judge audio components and speakers?


I would say - listening to music you're familiar with, and comparing. We can talk about tight/bloomy bass, midrange clarity, treble extension and things of that nature. We can also be very specific with regards to how a particular track is supposed to sound; based on high-performance gear that we were able to experience - but only if it purports to be accurate without sonic colorations. Therefore, I guess you could say we have a reference point. This part is what I would consider "objective performance." 

Along with this, measurements go hand-in-hand.

On the other side of the coin - subjective performance is how we "want our systems to sound." If the vocals are too bright or sharp, if snares or unpleasant sounding instrumentals ruin an otherwise good song, it's usually because the system is too accurate. So high-end audio is about chasing an ideal that doesn't exist in reality - but in the minds of audiophiles who are seeking a very particular kind of sonic presentation that bodes well with their music library as a whole....giving you just enough detail to keep you interested, while at the same time having a sense of realism, presence, and imaging that makes the speakers dissapear. We are seeking the illusion of a live performance.

 

The above are just my points. Feel free to share what you think. If you think I'm wrong, I don't mind. 

 

Cheers.

 

Jack

 

jackhifiguy

Don't lose your cold, I'm just bustin' balls.  (See I just did it again!)  And you only BB people you like.

You post a lot about what people don't understand about room acoustic that you've figured out.  Plus how misguided others are to spend so much money when your successful methods are dirt cheap and more effective.  Wouldn't a few pictures help others get to where you are?

 

 

I Am not an acoustician, but i know enough after my successful experiments to know what really matter in audiophile experience... If someone dont want to threw his money...My posts are only here to motivate some to play with simple no cost acoustic experiments...

The others will do what they do best : consume price tags...

This virtual page dates back to my beginning and many people mocked my experiments because of low price and ugliness of the no cost materials i used to...I am not crafty and no one explain how to do it...I read about acoustic not in audio sites, they dont explain what to do... The most useful information i read about was a research paper by three japanese acoustician about the use of reflection to create a better LEV/ASW ratio...They dont propose concrete way to use them in small audio room but it is not a mystery to figure it our with experiments... It was fun... Way more than throwing money on costly upgrades... it worked and i go on with that... i study how to create Helmholtz resonators after that  with books and net images... Etc Acoustic passive materials treatment is the first thing to do for sure...it is very well known this part... Mechanical adjustable  acoustic active control with resonators fine tuned is not well  known but you can tame all small room easily with that...

 

My acoustic experiments are from the last 2 years mostly...

it is meaningless to post images of hundred of devices...Why? To be mocked ?

Any people with a brain are able to figure out Helmholtz method and devices... The materials used has no importance , only their mathematical RATIOS and location matter...

Anybody with a brain can use psycho-acoustic basic fact and use a foldable screen in conjugate relation with the 2 speakers (a) and (b) for the ear A and the ear B, in a timing way with some acoustic cross talk and some acoustic crossfeed to create an intimacy rivaling any headphone...

Anybody can experiment with Schuman generators...

Anybody can learn how to clean in a simple way the electrical noise floor...

Anybody can learn how to decrease resonance and vibrations at low cost...

this is what i experimented to, at peanuts cost, because esthetic was not my concern...

My advice is simple:

dont upgrade anything BEFORE control installed in mechanical and electrical and acoustical dimensions..

 

And anyway no room need the same treatment and no one has the same freedom and will and time to experiments...

My second advice: try simple experiments at no cost, listen and learn...

 

I let this virtual page for those who judge on appearance.... 😁 i

But i will not add cardboard rolls, straws , hundred of tubes, and plumber discarded tubes to be mocked by people who dont want to understand acoustic and pscyho-acoustic..

Simple...

my best to you...

 

 

Don’t lose your cold, I’m just bustin’ balls. (See I just did it again!) And you only BB people you like.

You post a lot about what people don’t understand about room acoustic that you’ve figured out. Plus how misguided others are to spend so much money when your successful methods are dirt cheap and more effective. Wouldn’t a few pictures help others get to where you are?

 

 

@dave_b 

I am also deeply concerned. 

@mahgister 

I never tried to insult you or ridicule you. It was you who lashed out at me. I'm simply making suggestings that would benefit your listening experience.

it is common knowledge that placing objects on the ceiling are not beneficial unless you buy an acoustic panel for the ceiling. This kind of treatment is used on many audiophile systems and within studios.

Your overall style of conditioning the room is unorthodox at the extreme.  

I'd like to hear your system...maybe you can upload a video of it playing to YouTube? Surely, the sound quality won't be equal to actually being there, but it can be an effective way to audition systems without seeing them in person. 

If you have a link to a video, feel free to share it.

Also I don't understand why you keep comparing your system to others that cost more...stating that for peanuts you revamped your room and significantly improvrdbsound quality without ever having to spend lots of money. That sounds like bragging to me. It's like you're mocking other audiophiles that have expensive audio systems...

Part of my devices are unorthodox a part are perfectly well known acoustic principles..

Communicating my discoveries dont means that people will imitate me..,

Most dont own a dedicated room , and dont want to created their own devices because this is unesthetical... and tuning a room ask for time a lot of time... How do you think a professional acoustically design room cost?

 

My gool was to experiment and learn acoustic , and understand what means for example LEV/ASW ratio...

Only this simple acoustic concept is nowhere to be discussed in all audiogon...

 

Anyway it is simple : all my 8 headphones even modified had no more interest for me... This is telling something no? no need for a costly mic i would buy to satisfy you tomorrow... Perhaps in the future...

I dont mind if you dont believe me, but if your think about some devices and concepts i spoke about why not experimenting yourself ?

 

Here you put in my mouth what is not in my posts at all :

Also I don’t understand why you keep comparing your system to others that cost more...stating that for peanuts you revamped your room and significantly improvrdbsound quality without ever having to spend lots of money. That sounds like bragging to me. It’s like you’re mocking other audiophiles that have expensive audio systems...

First: no acoustic method or devices, no vibrations control snd no control over the electrical noise floor will ever transform a cheap amplifier in something that will be an audiophile experience...

Do you think i am dumb?

Only Christ make bread with stone...

Then you misinterpreted and distorted my posts here...Acoustic powerful improvement i was i spoke about...NOT THE GEAR PRICE TAG....

Second i never "bragg" about my gear brand name to be the best there is, only basic very good piece of gear...I loved them yes...

The only think i "bragg" about is the ratio S.Q. /PRICE do you understand what this concept means?

it DOES NOT MEANS that my system can beat the potential high-end one at all, it means my system in a controlled room is NOT SO FAR AWAY BEHIND some high end one... i do not and never equated my system to costly high end potential ... I only say that i am no more ENVIOUS nor frustrated...That says a lot...

Why?

Because acoustic ONLY can put a good system on the way to his optimal potential...

But the optimal potential of a 2000 bucks amplifier, so good it is, will not transform it in a 20,000 better one..

Did you catch?

Then stop accusing me of "bragging " about my gear ... i promoted acoustic and psycho-ascoustic method... Inform yourself, read science, experiment ...

Audiophile experience is possible at relatively LOW COST if someone use acoustic principles..There is a MINIMAL acoustic threshold of qualitative experience that anyone can reach WITHOUT MONEY...This treshold quatitative experience is an audiophile experience not so far behind high costly one...

This dont means that i am the idiot you describe equating my system/room to high end one...A high end system in a bad room though may sound fatiguing, over analytic and worst than mine though ...Guess why?

It is not bragging it is simple acoustic experience about timbre perception...