@mbolek - keep us updated here when you get the CCC wires.
The Zavfino wires look very interesting - 13 gauge might be good for speaker cables or mains cables?
Cheers - Steve
What I have found - Makes a good Cable !
I just finished posting the following content in yet another thread.
I realized, I have posted many snippets from the text below in many other threads over the years, so I thought it would be a good idea to post this thread, so in future I can simply post a link to it, rather than regurgitate it one more time.
If you are interested in DIY cables I (with the helps of other members) have designed and built take a look at this link
My Audio Alchemy (image99.net)
Hope you find this post useful
BTW - it is the :"Coles Notes" version - it can, and does get a lot more complicated!
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Having spent many years investigating cables, I have had first hand experience of how different things can positively impact the sound we get to enjoy from our systems
I have has success implementing cables on mini-systems costing as little as $200, up to pretty good systems in excess of $70k - other members have much more expensive systems and have observed similar improvements also
Unfortunately the cable companies like to spin their jargon as to why their cables are the best.
But the answer is pretty simple - a good cable will use...
- excellent quality wire - copper or silver
- There are varying grades of copper in used, the best being UP-OCC copper
- There are varying grades of silver used, with UP-OCC Silver currently being the best
- What is the difference? - Conductivity
- beryllium copper, teryllium copper, Bronze or Brass
- are all copper alloys
- their Conductivty is 70% or lower
- Pure Anealed copper is rated at 100% and is the Benchmark for Conductivity
- OFC copper is around 101%
- UP-OCC copper is 102% -103%
- Silver is 106%
- UP-OCC silver is 107%
- beryllium copper, teryllium copper, Bronze or Brass
- What is the benefit of using a high conductive metal ?
- better details and improved clarity
- better/faster dynamic performance
- better/faster transient processing response
- good quality insulation
- lowers cable related noise issues - so it lowers the noise floor of a cable
- The Dielectric Constant (Dk) The ratio of the permittivity of a cable
- is the metric used to indicate the electrical activity of the insulation
- As the signal changes polarity in an AC sifgnal it charges the insulation in one direction
- and then recharges it in the opposite direction when the polarity changes
- this flip-flopping injects noise into the metal wire
- using insulations with a low Dk reduces the maount of noise generated and improves clarity, details and imaging
- PVC has a Dk of 4 (ish)
- Teflon is 2.2
- Foamed Teflon is 1.45
- Cotton or Silk is 1.3
- Air is 1.1 Vacuum is 1.0
- built using a good noise cancelling cable geometry
- Cable Geometry is how the individual conductors are situated with respect to each other.
- When you have two wires side be side in close proximity, as with many cables in use, you get distortions induced from one wire into the wire next to it
- This is noise and impacts overall cable performance
- "separating" the wires will be beneficial
- Some examples of cable Geometry are
- twisted pair (the most prone to noise depending on tightness of the twist)
- braided (e.g. Kimber Kable products)
- Helix Spiral designs (e.g. Anticables)
- Ribbon designs - Like Nordost speaker cables
- use great quality connectors
- many connectors use brass or some copper alloy, but as identifed above, the low conductivity metals will impede cable performance
- Also, in the case of interconnects and speaker cables, the mass of the connector also impedes signal trasmisson
- well enginnered Low Mass, high conductivity connectors provide significantly better performance
- For Power connectors, pure copper or silver plated copper provides better performance
- the flatness of the pins (US and UK style connectors) will also help
As with everything in this hobby there are improvements that can be achieved with "refinements" to the above basic design points and those refinements will be reflected in the cost.
RE: the "Power supply" to the system
- most power supplies to the house are stable, but some people do experience noise related issues often from commercial builds that are close by,
- This type of "noise" is generally tiny voltage variations on the AC signal
- for this type of issue a good power conditoiner or power regenerator is often reqired
- Othrewise, if the power supply to your house is relatively clean then simply having a good power cable to each component will improve sound quality, Why?
- this is how it was explained to me by a very knowledgeable person with a wealth of Electrical Engineering experience
- At each connection point in the "power supply line" i.e. at each breaker, outlet and plug - the transfer of electrical energy is only depedant on the quality of that connction and the quality of any wire used to bridge from one connection point to the next
- This is why a good power cable will provide improvements in performance
- this is how it was explained to me by a very knowledgeable person with a wealth of Electrical Engineering experience
- A dedicated line from the breaker panel to your system provides noticeable benefits
- Quality outlets, like Hospital grade MRI outlets from companies like Pass and Seymour, will grip the plugs more tightly and provide better power transmission
RE: the power supliies inside components...
- Power amps tend to have very large transformers and banks of capacitors (i.e. compared to source components), which are designed to supply enough power, especially when large transient signals are encountered
- But even the very best amps can also benefit from having a very good power cable
- But for the best amps you will need an exceptionally good power cable in order to achieve any noticeable benefit
- Source components, especially in the more budget oriented designs, tend to have a less capable power supply, so having a good power cable will provide a more noticeable benefit.
- Wal-Wart power supplies are perhaps the worst - I avoid them or replace them
The cable companies I typically recommend include
- Zavfino
- In-Akustik
- Hijiri
There are a few others, but these provide good and noticeable Bang-for-$Buck
Zavfino is a great place to start and their product line caters to many budgets and their products actually perform.
There are many opinions out there.
Some believe in the benefits of cables and other do not
So use the Audogon search feature to aquire knowledge from postings from other members pertaining to cables.
Apologies for the long post, but this subject gets complicaed very fast
Hope it helps - Steve
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@williewonka Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response. I admire all the time and listening you have put into these DIY projects. For me has always made for fascinating reading. Thanks for your contributions and encourage you in future posts. |
Wiliewonka, In my experience, there is lots great information in your post. I had a small cable business back in the 80s/90s and I learned the hard way many of the things you mentioned. I even Cryo treated OFC copper back thirty years ago. Now a lot of people do it. Definite sonic benefits. Smoother more relaxed sound with ample detail that does not annoy. I have never given up my itch to experiment with cables. Just my thing. My designs used a lot of bundled solid core wires rather than finely stranded wire and it presents it’s own challenges and benefits. All history now. I recently had an old friend send me a couple of my old cables from 30 years ago to compare to my current cables. I actually wasn’t embarrassed although the current cables are subjectively better and cheaper with inflation considered. I’d like to put in a recommendation for Wonder Solder. I used to use it exclusively instead of lead solder or silver solders. It really was superior. People are selling "Wonder Solder" Ebay now and I wonder if it is the same stuff. I might add that I've never thought much of silver plated copper conductors except in digital cables. |
@fredcobbs - thanks for your comments - it sounds like you probably learned much about the craft of cables by trying those things that seemed reasonable and then listening intently. Many of the basic details are available on the web, but then there are those things that others have tried and suggested (like dual wires in the signal conductor), which for me is up there in the "fine tuning" of cable construction. I’ve never heard of Wonder Solder, but there is so much in the way of solders it’s just impossible to try every type and there are better products released every year I tried the silver plated wires for the signal conductors early on and found them harsh compared to the plain copper or plain silver
Thanks for the feedback on the benefits of cryo treating - I’ve often used cryo wires because that’s the way they came, so I have never had the opportunity to compare them to non-cryo wires With the advancements in bluetooth technology, I don’t think it will be long before cables become a thing of the past.
I’ve stopped developing my cables any further - they have reached the limits of normal DIYer capabilities. But it was a fun ride and I learned a lot. Regards - Steve |
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