How best to eliminate LP warps


I own about 2500 LPs, and I like to think they're flat.  Furthermore, I espoused the view that warped LPs ought to be discarded.  But lately I have found 2 or 3 of my LPs that do have warps but sound too good and are too precious for the music recorded on them to throw away.  So I am in the market for ideas on how to remove warps.  I am aware that there was a device on the market that looked like a large waffle maker, to be used for warp removal.  I think Furutech made it, but I never see it advertised these days.  I am also aware of the DIY method of placing an LP between two glass plates and heating the ensemble.  The question there would be how hot and for how long?  Any suggestions are welcome, especially opinions on the efficacy of the Furutech.  Thanks.  Please no comments on vacuum hold down; I think it's a great idea but none of my five turntables has that feature.

lewm

Thanks, guys.  I think we've covered the waterfront when it comes to curing warps. Unless someone else has a treatment not already mentioned.  My preference is to reduce the magnitude of the warp before playing the defective LP.  I am less interested in clamps and vacuum hold down, in this instance.

Clearaudio outer ring. Wayne’s audio outer ring. Vpi outer ring. Add any center weight. 

I use two pizza stones. And put the record in-between. You can probably use glas also.

But use uven instead of sun. The sun is unregulated..

Then you have two factors to adjust. Time and temperature. Start with 40°C and if nothing is happening then bump up some degrees and try again. But probably you don't want to go beyond 50°C.

 

You don't want to flatten to much either because then you will get radial problems (the grove getting egg shaped. So it is better to have some warp left than "over do it" and get flat and egg shaped. The record that is warped is already destroyed for ever. When vinyl has been prolonged it will not go back to its original shape. Never! Yes it will get flat but the damage is done and it is a longer circumstance on the grove. When vinyl is NOT like a rubber band and goes back to its original shape. It is more as a pizza dough. You will learn that lesson is you have a very warped one and when you have flatten it out.)

 

When you get a feel of what temperature to use then the procedure is rather straight forward.

(The pizza stone has two disadvantages one is that it will contain moisture that will not be able to escape between the stones and record label can get destroyed. That is eliminated by drying out them in the oven. Next is they're going to scratch the record surface. You need a paper between record and stone or have a simple papper inner sleeve.)

 

I usually use more time than temperature and may do it over the night when temperature will destroy much faster the record than time.

A Vinyl LP is Thermoformed and the composition of the material will react to heat and deform, as well as conditions that are applying force to a degree that can cause it to deform in shape.

Methods to correct a deform in shape can utilise both of the above influences, the use of Heat and Force are the common methods chosen. The not so common method chosen is Force only and relying on a ambient temperature as the heat source. 

Methods to flatten a Warped LP are around for a very long time, and were probably presented as a method from an era, when a LP that was deemed as a damaged and very easily replaceable due to the LP as a commodity being readily available,                the Flattening Devices in their earliest concepts were one of many other marketable product, offered as a ancillary device, most likely to be purchased by individuals with a desire to 'make do and mend'.

The times have changed and the Vinyl LP is not so readily available, and the need to 'make do and mend' is a genuine consideration. The LP as a commodity today is for certain Albums a thing of rarity. If such a rarity is to receive a corrective treatment, the rarity, put a new emphasis on the considerations that are required to ensure the correction is not detrimental to the LP in general.

The only real concern that should be in place, is whether the outcome of a Groove having deformed and them being deformed once more, to be returned to an earlier shape, will have incurred an unavoidable change to its form produced at the time of the pressing being new.     

A Thread on another Forum has covered this subject and has suggested a variety of methods using Polished Edge Glass Sheets as the press to supply the force.

The Methods are all reported on as being successful, but in my mind some are carrying more risk than others and there are not guarantees, one method using force applied heat can be replicated in another set up.  

One individual used the Glass Sheet Press with a added Weight only, and had reported that the LP was flattened within a month.

This as a method, in my mind is the method that presents the least risk for the LP, as there is not a force heated environment being created, where forced heat or point source heat is presenting an additional risk.

The time required using the Press/Force only method, could probably be decreased if the materials were placed into a smaller environment with an increased Temperature set with a range between 25 - 40 Degrees Celsius, with 40 as the maximum.

In my mind the temperature should be ambient and not created by forcing or applying heat directly to a press material that is being used, as this could create a point source for the heat, and the LP could be detrimentally impacted on as a result. 

A method to control the temperature to a chosen level of heat, could be achieved at e very cost effective outlay.

A Polystyrene Box used for Temperature Controlled Transportation, with a Herpetologist's Heat Mat placed inside will be a very suitable method.

A Heat Mat produces a uniform heat over the mats surface, so a hot spot is not radiated, creating an intensely heated zone, using the Heat Mat with a Thermostat  will be ideal for producing a very cost effective method for controlling the Box's evenly distributed Temperature with a low voltage heating device.

I had a unwanted experience once when using a Oven to be the source of heat. , When trying to make a form in a foam material, the Foam was placed and concealed,  between two heavy metal plates and the Fan Oven set to a low Temp'. The low Temp' was still able to create a Hot Spot, which caused the foam edge to deform to a non correctable condition.

I don't recommend using an Oven as a method for rare vinyl LP's, I don't see how a condition can be created that is reliable and consistent for all adopters of the method, unforeseen risks seem inevitable.

For the DIY Method and not using purpose produced devices, the Ambient Room Temp and Press with applied weight, with an allowance for the time needed to complete the reforming of the original shape, is looking like the best place to begin.

If a version of this method is then wanted which can potentially produce a decreased time requirement for the process. The method to produce a space with an increased ambient Temperature being present, seems to be the next method that has the least risk attached.