Results with Shunyata Venom Defender


I’ve started my battle with noisy AC and while I’m waiting for my new Audioquest Dragon HC 20A to come in (for my TBD conditioner) my dealer loaned me a couple of Shunyata Venom Defender plugs, which are supposed to filter out noise on your AC line and provide surge protection. You simply plug these in on the same circuit as your gear. They are inexpensive buy audio standards.

Do they make a difference? Yes! Sound became noticeably more focused, more higher frequency detail, cleaner treble. But….. Unfortunately the tonal balance shifted. Bass was more reserved and too polite (but well defined). I’d say all frequencies below upper midrange became quieter, and all frequencies upper mid and higher got louder. All frequencies got clearer. Also, the overall volume was very slightly quieter with these devices plugged in. Maybe quieter by 1/3rd of one volume setting increment on my Diablo 300.

The improved focus and clarity really did improve the experience when listening to a lot of material - it was easier to follow what was going on. But bass guitars lost some presence and even some nuance because it was quieter. I was thinking I could live with that for the sake of the improvements, but then I tried listening to some leaner recordings, and it sounded better without the devices plugged in.

All of these effects were subtle, but after going back and forth and pinpointing the differences, the changes became readily apparent.

I’m not going to end up using these, but I’d highly recommend them for anyone who might want to tighten up their system’s focus and detail, and doesn’t mind a very slightly leaner sound.

Also, I suspect those with lower end (less resolving) systems may not hear any difference when using these devices.

nyev

I wonder if they will have the same effect when plugged into one of Shunyata’s power distributors? I bought a Venom PS 10. It is nice enough, but in the past, I’ve had Audience Adept Teflon capacitor conditioners, PS Audio Power Plants, and a few other line conditioners, going all the way back to the grandaddy of them all, the Tice Audio Line conditioners, which was released in 1989. Of course, technology has advanced since the Tice. It’ll be interesting to see how two devices from the same designer sound together!

I also agree that, depending on the level of resolution and the components involved, some people will hear little to no differences. There is a thread going on at Steve Hoffman’s form, which is now 35 pages long, the battle raging furiously with those who consider it "snake oil" and those who hear it. Interestingly, those who hear it have the type of components I would think WILL let them hear the difference. And in something that flies in the face of actual evidence, those who have never heard it are the ones arguing it is "snake oil." I find myself wondering if they also decide all vitamin supplements are the same, and the greenhouse effect is "propoganda." I can’t imagine commenting on something I’ve never tried myself. It’s a bit like saying, "I hate sushi" when one’s never tasted it. And then I take my friends to sushi restaurants and give them a COOKED sushi roll and they like it (they used to think all sushi is raw). Astounding how vehemently we protest about devices we know - literally - nothing about...

 

But thanks for the observation that the Defender might "lean out" the sound. Neil Gader did not mention that in his review in The Absolute Sound, a magazine I also wrote for, and Neil would notice that. But his system might be the deciding factor, which is something I'll find out when mine arrives this week. I bought a Furutech two months ago and also RE-bought a Nordost QV-2, which I had sold last year, just to hear the difference. The QV-2 had a slightly richer sound (but not rich in the way a Conrad Johnson component would sound rich: just "fuller"). And the Furutech was similar to the Furutech fuses, outlets and power cords I have had: tonally not as fleshed out in "color" as though things were more pastel colors than primary. I didn't post that on the site, because someone accused me of commenting on something I hadn't heard (fair enough), but I had pointed out at the very beginning of my post that I was referring to EARLIER Furutech devices and that they may have made advances. I still found the NCF similar to my NCF wall receptables: certainly not drab-sounding, but not as rich as say, MIT components, which sounded more accurate to a symphony hall experience, except I only had their interconnects and speaker cables, and those were from 1987-2002. Still, The Furutech has a "sound". I imagine if one has a "rich"-sounding system, the leanness will manifest mildly, but if your system is already lean (especially in the lower midrange/upper bass), you'll notice it quickly enough!

I added a defender in both of my systems a while ago and have not found them to have caused any "lean" sound; rather they added to the benefits already provided by the Blue Circle power conditioners i use

I have 3 plug  in devices currently in my set-up, I use the Defender with the line that feeds my subs. I use an Isotek Isoplug on my 4 gang with an AQ Edison and Furutech ncf outlet , reason for this particular configuration is exactly as you described the Shunyata does indeed lean out the bass, it works very well with my subs and there it stays. The Isoplug preserved tonal balance while lowering the noise floor.. Now enter the Furutech clearline! All I can say is try it ! Worth it’s salt!

@nyev 
How many of them are you using? Have you tried a single one? I have one in my system with no complaints whatsoever. This is one of those pieces that I will not get rid of. It does everything you described but have no effect on the lower register. Sometimes less is more. Give it a try. Congrats on the new conditioner.

I tried up to two of these devices.  The “lean” effect was increased with two, and noticeable with one.

It’s possible this is specific to my setup. My Diablo 300 draws a lot of current. And all my gear is on one 15A circuit.  This is not ideal, and maybe adding the Defender was an added strain on the circuit… Remember the defender had the effect of lowering the volume in my system very slightly.