What are we objectivists missing?


I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference".  My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference.  If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same.  So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

jtucker

By that logic, babies are the group of population most able to discern good music and good sound 😂🙄

I didn't see anything about good music or good sound in the OP. Those are subjective preferences, hearing ability isn't. Young females between the ages of 10 and 14 have the most acute hearing ability. 

My wife has a better hearing than me and she cannot tune my room because she has never train herself in acoustic experiments......

You seems to separate brain and ears...

Acoustic is a physical science, psycho-acoustic is not...

I seems most of you can’t "comprehend" the fact that everything a human can hear can be measured.

Do you read what is posted here?

Human Time-Frequency Acuity Beats the Fourier Uncertainty Principle

Jacob N. Oppenheim and Marcelo O. Magnasco
Phys. Rev. Lett. 110, 044301 – Published 23 January 2013

This was discovered few years ago in experiments in psycho-acoustic...

If you were right about what you just claim, we know all there is to know about human hearing by ELECTRICAL measures apparatus , this article would have been characterized useless. and never published..

Your claim is dogma.... scientism... Not science...

In psycho-acoustic the concept of timbre is impossible to define rigorously without correlating in a dynamic set of measuring process, electrical measures, physical acoustic conditions, and human perceptive experience...

Many concept and experience are inseparably subjective and objective correlative process...

Hearing +interpretation by learning history and training, is not reducible to few electrical information gained from measuring tools, nor completely predictable...

A musician is not a trained dog...a good acoustician too...

To make my point simple for your understanding: hearing =ears...listening= brain history... The two are correlated but listening cannot be reduced to only hearing acuity...It is more complex...

And the article above prove by experiments that listening skill can beat what physical science said was the ears limit before 2013...

 It is why i can tune any room, my wife with a better hearing status cannot...

It is called positive learned biases....

 

 

Those are subjective preferences, hearing ability isn't. Young females between the ages of 10 and 14 have the most acute hearing ability. 

Let us try again:

You are confusing "listening" skills with "hearing" abilities. Not sure if on purpose or by mistake

 

djones51 We can measure the audible spectrum for humans. We can even measure the spectrum for dogs and dolphins so I have no idea what your asking for.

Thyname +1 You are confusing "listening" skills with "hearing" abilities. Not sure if on purpose or by mistake