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What are we objectivists missing?

I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference".  My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference.  If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same.  So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

jtucker
noske
783 posts
 

@hartf36 The difference could be that I moved an armchair from one corner of my listening room to another, and it completely changed the room acoustics, all else being equal. Does that count?

Yes. The all else being equal being the the objective measurements of the equipment. It is data. It can be banged with a hammer and it will not change.

Then game-on for individual preferences, circumstances (however defined), room arrangements, and exaggeration.

I understand. Indignation.  I use that word with some trepidation as I tip-toe away into a safe zone. .

 

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has2be
555 posts
 

What are objectivists missing....

The point.

asctim
492 posts
 

Objectivists are just subjectivists calling out nonsense objective claims made by some subjectivists. 

wassaicwill
62 posts
 

We're not missing anything. When I listen to a $99 DAC with a SINAD of 123, then switch to a $100 DAC with a SINAD of 122, I rest easy at night knowing that the $99 DAC is superior in every possible way in the universe.  Then I rush back online to see if that dreamy Amir has given one of my comments an upvote.

cd318
2,636 posts
 

Subjectivists do have things going for them.

They do help to keep a lot of people in jobs for one.

Secondly they also help keep the used market thriving as they flit from one brand to another.

 

I should know, I was one.

For a while it was fun ride, but in the end it got tiring.

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