Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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tomthiel

 

Thank You for another History lesson on Thiel Audio. I hope that you are well and ready for Summer.

 

Happy Listening!

jafant - always a pleasure to connect some dots.

Summer is allowing use of an unheated artist's studio for my sound work. It's not much more than a shed, but the long wall behind the listening position is mostly open screens; so there is very little back-wall reflection. It sounds and measures well enough to be a useful space.

hifi28 - your speaker positioning will be experimental with all things considered in your room.

An openable window can be a huge asset in that centered position. Sound waves through air accumulate as pressure zones in the corners and centers. Opening the window centered between the speakers might alleviate that pressure zone. Draperies between those cabinets might also be beneficial. The back end of the room benefits the most from absorption. Consider venting pressure from the corners, especially at the floor because the acoustic ceiling will reduce pressure up high. With care you can reduce standing waves to a small fraction of what they would be in an enclosed space. Well worth the effort.

For the record, most of the 'speaker problems' generally recited are not actually speaker problems, but rather room problems that may be excited more by some speakers than others. Thiel is capable of exciting problems due to their broad polar pattern and accurate response.

Thank you jafant , Happy Fathers Day to you and Thiel owners everywhere .

I treated myself to a new LP copy of " All Things Must Pass "  50th anniversary edition and wow does it sound fantastic .

Music is for the soul .

Rob 

CS2 Chapter in Thiel History

CS2 development began in 1984 after the game-changing introduction of the CS3 in 1983.

The CS3 was the 4th iteration of the model 3 – equalized sealed 10” 3-way with bass response to 20Hz. It demanded a fairly large room, robust woofer, and a midrange to cover 7 octaves including its long in and out ramps. The model 3 spent significant budget on those very capable midrange, woofer and the equalizer to take it low. Its right price was considerably higher than what Jim wanted to charge.

The model 4 filled smaller spaces with a bass limit in the mid 40s from a ported 6.5” two-way floor-stander. That format later became the CS1 series.

The company needed something for smaller rooms with less demanding bass at significantly lower cost than the CS3. The CS2 was born from those needs. From the beginning its identity included trimming costs without sacrificing performance beyond bass extension, which extended to 35Hz. In fact, its midrange could be cleaner than the CS3 since its crosspoint came in at 800Hz rather than the model 3’s 400Hz.

By this time we had established a strong working relationship with Vifa, who co-developed the 3.5” full-range driver for our midrange needs. Vifa and Jim also co-developed the woofer with some of his emerging motor geometries and techniques, even though it was still a conventional overhung design. A reflex woofer costs about half of a boosted sealed woofer because its low-frequency requirements stop at the port tuning.

In 1984 all cabinet work was still conventional tablesaw work along with our newly acquired inverted router. The CS3 baffle was being sculpted with hand tools, at considerable cost. We developed the routable CS2 grille board as a wave-guide and diffraction control mechanism with considerable success, at very low cost compared to the CS3 baffle. Later when we bonded the grille to the baffle with rubber tape, it became even more effective. The port was nearly free compared to the $ multi-hundred equalizer, which audiophiles wanted to be more transparent (and therefore expensive.) The CS2 load was a very resistive 6 ohms minimum, and moderate 87dB sensitivity, making it quite easy to drive. We focused our collective energies to cost-effectively producing this low-cost / nearly full range, coherent source for smaller spaces.

The introductory price was $1350/ pair against the CS3’s $1950. It met its market and sold consistently and well. Its 1991 replacement CS2.2 was driven by our developing CNC capability for a more sophisticated cabinet to support new driver technologies developed for the 1988 CS5.

 

The CS2 served as a sophisticated, elegant entry-level speaker for a broad audience. It sold about 7500 pairs over its 5 years, the most of any Thiel model.