Turn down the Volume!

@mijostyn --

What about the rest? Every little detail is important, some more than others. ...

I didn't address my question about "the rest" to you, but rather aimed it at a general tendency in audiophilia to be less invested in a range of core parameters (i.e.: the rest) like dynamics, scale, size of presentation, ease, etc. 

I stated exactly what accurate is and it is a target to shoot at, a reference point. Although our audio memory stinks those of us who frequent live events on a regular basis and are paying attention usually have a good idea what accurate is even though we can not define it. We know when we hear it. 

You somehow got the derogatory idea about Mr. Turnbull's setup, through Mr. DeVore descriptions, that is was merely "enjoyable" sounding to the ears of a novice audience who were easily impressed, and opposed it with the more desirable high-end trait of "accuracy." I just found it a reductive remark and an odd takeaway from the video. Listen to what John has to say from 10:07:

The interesting observation I have made over the years is most people, even those who are not HiFi addicts know when they hear it.

Exactly; why would the ones who heard Mr. Turnbull's setup be less right in this regard?

@phusis , that is a very valid question which has a very politically difficult answer. Many people already think I am an arrogant SOB and from their perspective I am and nothing is going to convince them otherwise. So, in short,  Mr Turnbull's system is not even remotely close to accurate. This is not saying that it is not pleasing to listen to. I have spent decades listening to my own pleasingly inaccurate systems. The people who are listening are surprised a small system like that can sound so good, the Bose Effect. When presented with a current SOTA system you get comments like "G-d, it sounds like you are there!" "I have never heard anything like this before." I never knew a system like this existed" and so forth. You get the impression of a true sense of wonder. Does a system have to be really SOTA to generate this sort of reaction? No, but it is a good indicator. 

It all comes down to experience. Most audiophiles have not worked in the business and are busy with their own jobs and life. They have minimal exposure and very few systems are capable of the kind of performance I am talking about which again does not mean other systems are not pleasing to listen to. I worked in an ultra high end store and in my own experience I have only heard three systems that reached this level of performance. 

I agree with @mijostyn I OWNED an ultra high end dealership I also produced and mixed multi million selling records.

VERY VERY FEW SYSTEMS come close to conveying the music even remotely accurately, and playing at low volume will not IMO get you there

The RRV needs to be set correctly, that’s a first, then it’s down to so many other factors starting with the amp, the heart and soul of every system

Im fortunate enough to having experienced audio nirvana and I can assure you it’s awesome. Pure utter joy.

@onlyqualityhifi , thank you for responding. It always helps to have backup. People in the business never want to upset people as they might lose business. They won't lie, they just won't tell you the truth. This comment does not apply to the snake oil venders. 

As I have state in the past, every recording has a "right" volume. I have always thought that this had to do with the volume it was mixed at as our frequency response changes with volume. Do you think this is correct? 

The first time I heard a seriously well set up system my jaw must have dropped three feet, frisson every minute. It took me 30 years to better that system and I still have a few problems to solve.

Another note. It is not just the equipment but also how the equipment is use and the room it is placed in. 

@mijostyn Hi, no. Its NOT correct. The RRV when set correctly is right for EVERY recording. Many will disagree. I cant help that. 

Also you cant set RRV accurately with a stepped remote. Its not accurate enough. The RRV needs precision.

I HAVE the best system ive ever heard and boy have I heard a few.  Many are literally reduced to tears when they hear.  Oh and its in a small REALLY crap room. So yes. The room affects but not as much as you may think. Well not in my set up. Certain amps ‘take out’ the room’s affect.