Why Music Has Lost it’s Charms (Article)

@mahgister

What was your career in? How long have you been retired?

 

I was guiding university students in their readings...3 years, just before covid...

My interests included mathematics, poetry, linguistics, spirituality, philosophy mainly... As an aside astrology and natural science....

My main interests is the way all fields of learning are connected by a higher perspective....

In one book the best writer about this , save Goethe himself, is : Jean Gebser, "the ever present origin"...

A changing life book.... Try it...But not easy reading at all.... The writer is a polymath...

If you study in the same time Ernst Cassirer  "philosophy of the symbolic forms" deep  exploration of a Goethan semiotic of culture to complete what is lacking in Gebser, you will  have the deepest possible perspective in philosphy  of knowledge and not only restricted philosophy of science... Cassirer was a deep Goethe scholar after being a Kant one ....He corrected what was missing in  Kant by Goethe  genetic and phenomenological  approach so to speak...Goethe is a greater phenomenologist than even Husserl... But Goethe dont explain itself for the sake of explaining itself,  he was  in art and natural science writing not philosophy...Leonardo da Vinci used the same method than Goethe before him.... It is astonishing...

This  goethean method is best described by a physicist disciple of David Bohm  in few books : Henri Bortoft....

 And this method is extensively applied in animal morphology by  Wolgang Schad in an 1300 pages  master book so great that anyone who read it will fall of his chair...😁😊

 

I must say about the 432 and 440 hertz controversies...I dont know if there is

only a pragmatic industry decision behind it, or not, but for sure our body react to frequencies in a direct way our consciousness did not...Then just comparing in non controlled condition few seconds songs to sense if there is a difference or not is preposterous...

It is not our biased conscious ability to do so or not, which is at stake here, but the way our body/mind react... The mind is not only the conscious tip of the iceberg we call ego...The mind is the body too...

Then we must listen to the two frequencies in an hour long comparison in few days repeat...

I am certain that a difference will be perceived...

I sense it but my listening is biased for sure... 😁😊

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31031095/

 

Abstract

Context: The current reference frequency for tuning musical instruments is 440 Hz. Some theorists and musicians claim that the 432 Hz tuning has better effects on the human body, but there are no scientific studies that support this hypothesis.

Objective: To identify differences in vital parameters and perceptions after listening to music at different frequencies, 440 Hz versus 432 Hz.

Design: Cross-over pilot study.

Setting: A room dedicated to listening to music, in an Italian city.

Participants: 33 volunteers, not suffering from acute and/or chronic diseases.

Interventions: Two sessions of music listening on different days. Both sessions used the same music (movie soundtracks) but tuned to 440 Hz on one day and 432 Hz on the other. Each session consisted of 20 min’ listening.

Main outcome measures: Vital parameters (blood pressure, heart rate, respiratory rate, oxygen saturation), perceptions (physical and emotional sensations, for example fatigue and stress), levels of concentration during the listening session, and general satisfaction with the experience.

Results: 432 Hz tuned music was associated with a slight decrease of mean (systolic and diastolic) blood pressure values (although not significant), a marked decrease in the mean of heart rate (-4.79 bpm, p = 0.05) and a slight decrease of the mean respiratory rate values (1 r.a., p = 0.06), compared to 440 Hz. The subjects were more focused about listening to music and more generally satisfied after the sessions in which they listened to 432 Hz tuned music.

Conclusions: The data suggests that 432 Hz tuned music can decrease heart rate more than 440 Hz tuned music. The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters.

 

 

But this matter being very complex...

There exist also opposite conclusion from other experiment:

 

https://acousticengineering.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/pitch-shifting-to-432-hz-doesnt-improve-music/

 

Conclusion: this problem is a bit more complex than meet the eye at first here...

I am not enough competent to solve it in an objective way...I hadmy opinion based only in my listening, but it will take me months of study to solve this for sure.... Not 2 articles...

😁😊

 

But there is another one here in favor of 432 hertz:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31879635/

 

@mahgister

I disagree with your reply, and offer you... The real push behind it was nefarious, though that is denied by those who had the power to make it so.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4194106/440-hz-conspiracy-music/

 

Here another convincing one in favor of 432 hertz:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341319554_Effect_of_music_at_432_Hz_and_440_Hz_on_dental_anxiety_and_salivary_cortisol_levels_in_patients_undergoing_tooth_extraction_a_randomized_clinical_trial

 

 

Conclusion:

Only sets of measures of the human metabolism under different frequencies exposure will settle the matter...

Research about "conscious" perceived differences between these frequencies are not convincing at all... 😁😊

Why?

Because the mind is not the conscious ego, and the effect on the listener is not an effect on his concious ego filtered by conscious biases but effects on his mind/body metabolism which for the most part is a subconscious sea...

 

To end or to begin the reflection: this very neutral article is interesting with the main proponent, Lyndon Larouche, before Dr.  Leonard  Horiwitz himself,  of "the 440 conspiracy" analysed :

Go on the internet to read this article, i cannot put the link to open here...

Perfect Pitch: 432 Hz Music and the Promise of Frequency by RE Rosenberg · 2021

@mahgister I appreciate the data relating to the 432 vs. 440 Hz thing.

I have not given the issue much time.  I usually tune my instruments to 440 as that is the common standard, and may look into a conscious effort to at least try tuning my guitars (I’m bot a piano tuner, so that bad boy will have to stay “as is” for now) to 440 Hz, see what happens.

I am not competent nor able to claim truth in this important matter...

I am just interested by this matter...

 

I am also very interested, not so much by tests about our ability to perceive a conscious difference, for sure there is one, especially for trained ears of a tuner or a musician...

I am interested by future studies of mind/body metabolism reactions...

If the few studies i pointed to were able to be verified and confirmed in the future, then this indicate something truly deep about our body/mind metabolism clocks multi-scale system and the way it inscribe itself in the universe which is also like Kepler already thought a multi-scale scales clock system ...

The greatest specialist of clock multi-scales body/mind and cosmic crystals time like fractal clocks integrated systems is an Indian genius working in a scientific city in Japan on the first artificial brain ( not A.I. ). He proved everything about microtubules relating to the Hameroff-Penrose hypothesis 8 years ago already...

Anirban Bandyopadhyay

 

For me music is perceived holographical multidimensional information...We see music and not only we listen to it...

Music is geometry on the making among other thing....Music is also love in the making....

Alain Connes the founder of non-commutative geometry say the same thing as Anirban Bandyopadhyay : It is not so much that music is mathematic like Pythagoreans were claiming, it is mathemathics itself instead which is pure music...

Prime numbers distribution is "music of the sphere"....

Why?

Because mathematics ultimately is a divine beating heart which is the basis of the cosmic memory...Like the human heart is the basis of deep memory...

The mathematic of the cosmic memory working translation is now investigated by the school of mathematician, disciple of Grothendieck, Shinichi Mochizuki in his "inter-universal geometry" which is only the mechanism of translation between cellular memories or "universes" ( memories here are also creative imaginations)....

But here also i am not competent to formulate any claim, i am deeply interested by these matter because it was a dream of mine when i was 24 years old...If it was not for this dream about the deep meaning of the prime numbers distribution , now confirmed by these geniuses works in very different fields , i will not have been able to recognize through this complex mathematics the truth i was looking for all my adult life....

If you need a proof of "God" or to feel the way love work, listen to Bach and study prime numbers theory....Or/and fall in love....

We do not pay attention , then we kill each other...

 

 

 

@mahgister I appreciate the data relating to the 432 vs. 440 Hz thing.

I have not given the issue much time. I usually tune my instruments to 440 as that is the common standard, and may look into a conscious effort to at least try tuning my guitars (I’m bot a piano tuner, so that bad boy will have to stay “as is” for now) to 440 Hz, see what happens.