Chime in if you bought a second table that cost a fraction of your main table.


Let’s say this will be for those who have or had a main turntable setup in which the table and tonearm retail for $7K or more. You then went out and purchased a table/arm that retails for half (or less than half) of $7k. If this is your current or past scenario, what were your impressions. Please note: this is for someone who added the second table for the same setup, or a second system...not someone who simply downgraded. The reason for this thread is not to suggest that upgrades do not offer improvements... It’s geared more for the audio enthusiast who scratched and clawed to purchase what may be their last table. I thought it would be interesting to hear the thoughts of people who then added that lower cost table/arm, and their general experience with it coexisting with their higher priced table.

fjn04

@fjn04 - for me, the priorities were different. On the main system, I wanted the best sound I could get. What is that? Since everything is dependent on the associated components, room and set-up, I’m happier than ever with the big table running Koetsus, after working on the woofer system, now in a bigger room. I have far more range, stage, oomph and presence-- all good things, plus the bass is characterful--texture, tone, decay, as well as spaciousness and dead silence at times, not just whomp, whomp.

The second system, where I have the SP 10, is also all tube, but uses my Quad 57s, a pair of old Quad amps, and an MCIntosh MX 110z tuner/preamp, all restored. It is not as demanding, the Quads by their nature are not super sensitive and act like a noise filter (the horns in the main system are 104db and you hear everything, including inter-component grounding irregularities, somebody using a fixture elsewhere in the house (not any more) and whatever is on the line. (that system took me a couple years to get quiet. Once quiet, I could begin to tune it)).

In short, the application for the second table is less critical in some ways but makes music just as engaging. No, no heavy metal on the Quad system, but you’d be surprised about small combo jazz.

I do like Franc K though. He’s a real guy and does it all. Well.

My guess is that most of the responses will be something like ‘OK, I guess’. For me, my main system itself is somewhat modest. 2 tables, 3 arms, Groovemaster w/ Miyajima carts. I can listen to 78’s, 16” transcription records, and stereo recordings through the main system. I wanted a 3rd table to sit next to my listening position specifically for 45’s. I have a lot of great 45’s that weren’t getting a lot of play because of the constant getting up and down.  After looking for about a year I decided to try a Pro-Ject X1. I also wanted something that I would be willing to let others touch. I moved a SUT and phono pre next to the table. This table is set up with an alignment (don’t remember the name) to emphasize tracking at the inner grooves - good for 45’s I thought. The problem #1 is that the table can’t make it through test tracks which my other tables can easily get through. Problem #2 is that you need to select the 45 speed at every play. Problem #3 is that the acrylic platter fights you trying to swap 7” records. Problem #4 is that I just don’t like the carbon fiber tonearm - or whatever plastic looking material they call it is. No real good reason, I just don’t like it.

I’ll likely get the itch in a few years and swap it out. The sound - Ok, I guess. The reality is that the convenience it affords does not contribute to enjoyment.  Nobody says to themselves - “Wow, this really sounds like I didn’t have to get up”.  

I also went backwards. I have two separate systems. I have a "surround" system with a Denon AVR, totally separate amps and a conglomeration of speakers. My TT is a Marantz TT-15s1 and Clearaudio Virtuoso cartridge it came with.

My reference system is all tube, Cary SLP-05, Dialogue 7 monoblocks. My TT is VPI Prime Classic with a Sumiko Pearwood cartridge and Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista vinyl phono preamp. Two very different systems but equally impressive. Surround for sheer power and energy. Tube for realism and sound quality.

If I want quiet reflection, I go tube. Rock concert, surround.

Bought a Technics 1210GR with Ortofon blue on an SME headshell (had one spare- they're like hen's teeth now) as I was fed up with the knocking on my Thorens TD160B.

Was initially v happy with 1210 as had always wanted one and they certainly give the impression of good build quality but then fixed the Thorens motor issue with the little thrust bearing and superglue repair kit, put a cheap AT cart on it for a laugh and now it gives me far more pleasure- only downside is the SME 3009 has a fixed headshell and it won't shift to 45 (needs a new belt), otherwise the 1210 is spare until I get a double phono stage

Some very different situations here, but this does give me idea how you (my fellow enthusiasts) are getting on with your backup table. So no offense to the following brands, but they are not in the running...VPI, Rega,Technics and Pro-Ject tables. I'm feeling like spending a little more will get me in to something I can enjoy. Not that there is anything wrong with $1000 tables, but I have been spoiled. Even the Well Tempered Amadeus (base and GTA) tables I had could be very engaging. The only reason I won't go back to Well Tempered is the lack of cue lever/ arm lift. They do have another arm offering called the Symetrex, which does have one, but I think it takes the Amadeus Jr out of my price range. Here is my short list of considerations...Dr Feickert Volare, Thorens TD 150...I was considering AVID, but apparently I would have to go up to a Diva SP in order to have push button 33/45 selection. The Marantz TT15 mentioned above is actually the table I heard when I auditioned (and bought) my Naim XS. It was actually very hard to fault with the Virtuoso cart. It seems to play well above it's price point. The cartridge seems like a throw in. However, my goal here is to end up with a tonearm that will play nicely with the carts I mentioned above...the TSD 75, and Charisma (wood) Denon 103. No harm in trying an MM or MI cart, but I already have these and an SUT to play them in to the Naim phono.