Thx ,Jea48 I found it today (again) I swapped out the rca interconnects between the pre amp and the power amp. They’re was a pair of Kimbers in there before and I switched them out for an old budget pair of Adioquests. So possibly its a shielding thing the Kimbers have none or its caused by the cables being run through the wall or both.The home run circuit that powers the system is not running anywhere near this space but there is one or more existing circuits in that wall between the family room and the master bedroom.I just ran those Adioquests outside the wall as a quick test so I don’t really know for sure yet or I could be completely out to lunch on the whole theory because it’s intermittent, It’s frustrating, thats why I say “ I found it again “ I’ve been into Hi Fi since I was a teen but only vacum tubes for three years or so I’ve got a complete solid state system as well so I could also change out the pre and power amps to rule those out per your suggestion also ,thx again Jea48.