Serious Question About Silver vs Copper Conductivity for Power


Yes, I realize that this topic is going to bring out the sharks, but if I get at least one serious response, it will all be worth it.

I understand that silver conducts 7% faster than copper.  I also understand that using a dielectric insulation like Teflon is best at keeping the wire from overheating, stopping signals entering and stopping signals from leaving the conductor. I understand that a certain amount of math is involved in selected gauge of wire depending largely on how much power the component is going to take, and how much the amperage is (20 or 15).

My question is regarding certain features applied to either silver or copper conductors that may or may not have an advantage over one or the other.

I have the Kimber Kable P14 Palladian.  This uses 14awg copper conductors insulated in Teflon.  Then it adds a massive filter that attempts to mitigate the standing wave ratio to as close to 1:1 as possible. I had Kimber’s Ascent power cable prior.  It’s identical to the Palladian, except the filter. I have heard the difference between using those two cables.  Apparently, mitigating the standing wave ratio lowers the noise floor significantly. However, any filter that chokes the signal and will slow the electrical current.

As I understand it, the amplifier works by opening the rectifier to allow the capacitors to fill with energy that the system will draw from.  Being able to keep the rectifier open and fill the capacitors as fast as possible, reducing lag time, has the effect of creating more realistic and detailed sound.

With that said, changing to a power cable that uses pure silver insulated in Teflon, will ensure that power is delivered potentially faster.  Although, the silver power cable will NOT have a filter.  Therefore the standing wave ratio will not be mitigated and the electrical signal will not be choked either.

So, would the amplifier benefit from faster electrical current or slower, but cleaner electric current?  Since this signal isn’t directly applied to sound, the concepts of “colder” or “warmer” sound should not apply.

Can someone help me out without poking fun at the question?  Additionally, I am not interested in having a cable-theory debate.  If you don’t believe cables make any difference, I will not debate or have discourse on that topic.


 

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@sevestan  Nah, Alex Jones has no clue.  However, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is the one who is always in the know.  ;)

 

… (by the way, no one should be concerned because it isn’t their system. Also, the amp has a fast blowing fuse, so I am also not concerned in the slightest about damaging my speakers or system. I thank everyone in advance for their concerns for my personal and equipment’s safety.)

But people do care about this stuff and like to understand it, and to share their knowledge.
Hence please provide some feedback after you have tried the new cable, so that others may benefit from your experience.

 

 

You’re right, electrons and metals do not care what resistance they encounter. They have no control over their molecular structures.

Actually a metal does have control of its atomic structure, which is why metals are conductive, and do not have a massive gap that they need to overcome in order to get an electron “free”.

 

 

However, circuit boards, capacitors, inductors, resistors, rectifiers, coils, and magnets do care a little bit as they’ll be the ones to make use of all those incoming electrons and someone configured them to care simply because there is an intended and desired end result.

The electrons for copper and the ones for Silver are the same sub atomic particulars. So all the electronics in the box have no way of differentiating where any particular electron came from.

And ^that^ assumes that it is all about electrons in a EE sense. If it is actually about electric fields, then the electronics may also care about things like dielectrics, which are not conductive.

 

 

In regards to inductance, it appears to be a specification largely applied to resistance coils in a circuit.

It is not a resistance coil. The things which are designed to have inductance are called inductors.
The things which are designed to have capacitance are called capacitors.
And the things which are designed to have resistance are called resistors.

 

 

Having low resistance will mean that the inductance will be different.

No, that is incorrect.

 

Silver has lower resistance than copper. Therefore, inductance will change between the two materials. After all, they can’t help it. ;)

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-15/factors-affecting-inductance/

No, This is also incorrect.

Inductance is not resistance, and neither is capacitance call resistance.
Both inductance and capacitance are what make complex loads.

Resistance is the “real part” of impedance, and the complex part of impedance is governed by inductance and capacitance.

One can have a massive inductor, with a lot of inductance, and it can also have a DC resistance close to zero.
One can also have a massive capacitor, which will have a DC resistance that is super high, but can appear as a short circuit to a momentary load, or a high frequency signal.

The metal has no effect on capacitance, nor on inductance.
Geometry affects both capacitance, as well as inductance.
And the use of dielectrics only has an effect on capacitance... the dielectrics have no effect upon inductance.

 

I disagree that one can make better cables at home. I know, I have tried. It’s difficult to twist heavier gauge wire in the precise intervals needed to increase conductivity and lower resistance/inductance. You really need precise machinery and tools which if you went and bought, and then bought the materials, you would be out as much money as it would have cost to buy one of similar specification. I suppose the only benefit then is the satisfaction that you made it yourself

Places sell the wire woven, and some people do simple twists on smaller wires/cables. Kimber 12TC is one example of a bare woven wire. And there is another out of Tx, which I forget the name of.

https://kimber.com/products/12TC


Other manufacturers sell the ends that are put onto the wire to make a cable.

It is not rocket science.

In light of the above discussion, interesting quotation directly from the Lavri cables website:

"5N silver transmits electrical signals faster and with less distortion than ordinary OFC wires".

Hmmm.

@holmz 

You know, it doesn't matter how many times you post in opposition, it doesn't make you any more of an expert on what you're talking about than the previous times you haven't established it. You, as well as others, have failed to provide any accolades or links to any proof that back up your claims. I don't agree with what you're saying because from my education and experience, it doesn't add up to reality. If your position comes from a place of nay-saying that cables cannot and will not make a difference, then you are wasting your time. If you *ARE* coming from a place where cables make a difference, then you need to find some articles written by reliable sources that can prove your stance. 

You can assign as many ad hominems against me, and you can gaslight as much as it fulfills your quota, and it won't change my understanding or position until you can prove me wrong beyond just your word.  BECAUSE, as previously stated, *YOU* have not established that you are correct, nor have you established a reason why *I* should trust anything you say.

Understand?  Feel free to begin picking apart my post and presenting it back to me out of context.

I will receive this dangerous and poorly designed cable on Monday evening.  I will replace the Kimber Kable Palladian with this cable.  It will burn in for 5 constant days.  At that point, I will know if it outperforms the Palladian and I will report back to this thread with those results.

Good day, sir. ^___^

@twoleftears 

Maybe this will help you:

"Silver and copper are the two most conductive metals known to mankind, with gold following behind in third place. The conductivity of silver clocks in at 63 x 10^6 siemens/meter, roughly seven percent higher than the conductivity of annealed copper, which stands at 59 x 10^6 siemens/meter. Measured in ohms, the difference in the resistance (the amount of electricity lost as a current travels from point A to point B through a material) of 24-gauge, 1000-foot-long silver and copper wire is minor. The resistance of the copper wire is a mere 2 ohms higher."

https://sciencing.com/copper-vs-silver-wire-conductivity-5863373.html