Serious Question About Silver vs Copper Conductivity for Power


Yes, I realize that this topic is going to bring out the sharks, but if I get at least one serious response, it will all be worth it.

I understand that silver conducts 7% faster than copper.  I also understand that using a dielectric insulation like Teflon is best at keeping the wire from overheating, stopping signals entering and stopping signals from leaving the conductor. I understand that a certain amount of math is involved in selected gauge of wire depending largely on how much power the component is going to take, and how much the amperage is (20 or 15).

My question is regarding certain features applied to either silver or copper conductors that may or may not have an advantage over one or the other.

I have the Kimber Kable P14 Palladian.  This uses 14awg copper conductors insulated in Teflon.  Then it adds a massive filter that attempts to mitigate the standing wave ratio to as close to 1:1 as possible. I had Kimber’s Ascent power cable prior.  It’s identical to the Palladian, except the filter. I have heard the difference between using those two cables.  Apparently, mitigating the standing wave ratio lowers the noise floor significantly. However, any filter that chokes the signal and will slow the electrical current.

As I understand it, the amplifier works by opening the rectifier to allow the capacitors to fill with energy that the system will draw from.  Being able to keep the rectifier open and fill the capacitors as fast as possible, reducing lag time, has the effect of creating more realistic and detailed sound.

With that said, changing to a power cable that uses pure silver insulated in Teflon, will ensure that power is delivered potentially faster.  Although, the silver power cable will NOT have a filter.  Therefore the standing wave ratio will not be mitigated and the electrical signal will not be choked either.

So, would the amplifier benefit from faster electrical current or slower, but cleaner electric current?  Since this signal isn’t directly applied to sound, the concepts of “colder” or “warmer” sound should not apply.

Can someone help me out without poking fun at the question?  Additionally, I am not interested in having a cable-theory debate.  If you don’t believe cables make any difference, I will not debate or have discourse on that topic.


 

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This thread is like Saturday Night Live and Harry Potter all rolled into one.

 

You are doing an excellent job as the "straight man" @holmz. You are going to have to work much harder to top this comedic line though,

 

 

I don't agree with what you're saying because from my education and experience, it doesn't add up to reality.

 

 

@theaudiomaniac 

Nah, it's more like Monty Python's Flying Circus and this is the argument sketch.  You folks are just automatically gainsaying anything I say.

@theaudiomaniac and add in Wim Winder “Wings of desire” and Mel Brooks “Space Balls”. 😋

You know, it doesn’t matter how many times you post in opposition,

What part was in opposition?

it doesn’t make you any more of an expert on what you’re talking about than the previous times you haven’t established it.

I actually understand some of the electronic principles and atomic prociples.

You, as well as others, have failed to provide any accolades or links to any proof that back up your claims.

I asked previously what sort of links and evidence you wanted.
(There are textbook in the engineering physics departments that cover this stuff to deep levels… and we can reference pages out of those to help you.)

I don’t agree with what you’re saying because from my education and experience, it doesn’t add up to reality.

Correct, it does not add up to reality.

If your position comes from a place of nay-saying that cables cannot and will not make a difference, then you are wasting your time. If you *ARE* coming from a place where cables make a difference, then you need to find some articles written by reliable sources that can prove your stance.

If the capacitance, or inductance differ between two cables then they can make a difference. More so in speaker cables and ICs, than in power cables.

For the resistance more so in speaker cables than in ICs.

 

You can assign as many ad hominems against me, and you can gaslight as much as it fulfills your quota, and it won’t change my understanding or position until you can prove me wrong beyond just your word.

What gaslighting?
What ad hominems?

For a psychologist you seem surprisingly more able at misconstruing the message, than I would have thought possible.

BECAUSE, as previously stated, *YOU* have not established that you are correct, nor have you established a reason why *I* should trust anything you say.

Understand? Feel free to begin picking apart my post and presenting it back to me out of context.

What is the context?
How does pointing the factual (science parts), that appear to be error, result in such a strong emotion response? I am just point out fact, so try and read it without emotion.

I will receive this dangerous and poorly designed cable on Monday evening. I will replace the Kimber Kable Palladian with this cable. It will burn in for 5 constant days. At that point, I will know if it outperforms the Palladian and I will report back to this thread with those results.

^That^ is great - I am sure a few people are interred in the results.

Good day, sir. ^___^

And also with you.

In light of the above discussion, interesting quotation directly from the Lavri cables website:

"5N silver transmits electrical signals faster and with less distortion than ordinary OFC wires".

Hmmm.

@twoleftears  we would have to ask them (Lavri) what it is exactly that they mean.
They do have Linz weaves for ICs, so maybe they means that the inductance low so as to providing a faster response?

But the last bullet mentions air - I am not is it is aI rated teflon, which have a lower dielectric constant, and provide a faster signal than non-airated.

 

https://www.lavricables.com/cables/ultimate-silver-silk-mains-eu-power-cable/

Here is what it says:

•   New carefully braided 14 core pure silver mains cable.
•   5 cores of 5N solid silver wire AWG28 are used for Active line and 5 cores for Neutral in order to transfer AC voltage.
•   4 cores of silver plated copper 0.3mm diameter are used for Earth line.
•   Aimed for Preamp, DAC, Streamer, Headphone amp.
•   Unshielded design brings more air & transparency to the soundstage.
•   Woven Teflon Litz construction is ideal to deliver RFI and EMI rejection and provides low capacitance.
•   5N silver transmits electrical signals faster and with less distortion than ordinary OFC wires.
•   High grade Teflon insulation gives a predominant air dielectric and is regarded as the best insulator for bare cable.