Anyone else feel like it’s the Wild Wild West?


I’ve been following the streaming threads here for a while now, and I find it both exhilarating and intimidating.  I mean, we all know everything in high-end audio matters to some degree or another, right (Ok, maybe except for the flat earth contingent)?  From what I’m reading and from my own experience the process of optimizing steaming has near unlimited potential, and some even say it rivals or even surpasses vinyl if taken to the max.  Cables, routers, optical, filters, extenders, power supplies, switches, etc., they all seem to make a significant difference despite the naysayers who say bits are just bits.  I’m all in on this steaming renaissance, but most of the jewels of useful info are buried in other posts, so I’d like to have this be a consolidator post of your best streaming experiences and recommendations for others who could benefit greatly from your hard-won victories and maybe save a lot of people the agony you went through to get to streaming nirvana.  So have at it — let’s empower this community in this noble task and help everyone realize the amazing potential of this magic gift to audiophiles.  What say you?

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@drbay "A good streamer with a good external DAC would beat any vinyl or CD at any price point."

What streamer and DAC are you using and what were the CD and vinyl equipment you compared it to in the same system that allowed you to arrive at this de facto conclusion?

Personally, I recently had the opportunity to audition vinyl, CD and DAC with separate streamer in the same system. Speakers were Cessaro Horns, New Audio Frontiers amplification , vinyl TW Acustics , CD Neodio, DAC Tron Electric GT, streamer Aurrender. I’m not a vinyl guy but I gave the edge to the TW Acustics versus the Neodio and the Tron/Aurrender combo. It wasn’t a night and day level difference but it was there. As far as the Neodio and the Tron/Aurrender combination there was no "winner" they were both very engaging, no losing propositions , and simply a matter of sound taste preference - Neodio smoother, more romantic; the Tron/Aurrender leaning somewhat more towards transparency. The Neodio was my preference. Would there have been different outcomes with different gear, always possible. My point being I don’t think there’s a de facto statement that can be made about any of this.

 

 

To each their own @lalitk you chose to dump money in digit@holmz likes to spend his on vinyl. So what.

I enjoy all of it and prefer vinyl over digital. Is one bad and one good? Nope, just different.

You do you. No one is right or wrong.

Yup, setting up vinyl is like plugging a toaster to a wall outlet, plug and play 😂

Look at the recent threads started by @holmz

@digital  Now you wait just a minute.  You trying to tell me the Earth is NOT FLAT?

Get right out of town!

As for streaming, I was offered it for TV by ATT, but the Internet speed to my house is less than 50, so why offer it?

Ah, well, the more things change...

Cheers!

@juanmanuelfangioii My takeaway from lalitk’ post was that he was simply suggesting that holmz experience with vinyl was in reality no less involved than what he and others have stated about their digital setups

Sure vinyl is simple but good to great vinyl requires a lot of parts too and that isn’t inexpensive. No it ain’t! We all know that list and what the ensuring costs are.(And what’s Beethoven’s fifth with out the ticks and pops?)

Great digital can be had “reasonably.” For $2200 on up you can get a used Lumin T2 or Mytek Brooklyn Bridge Network both with very good inboard DAC’s and the ability to connect directly to an amp with no pre amp needed. Compared to a vinyl rig or upper CD/SCAD this is far far cheaper. To tweak it up, linear power supplies and ethernet filleting can be used (and Bam!) but this is assuming all the rest such as your room, amp and pre or integrated, connects, power cleaned, speakers and the whole schmear is stellar. Digital steaming equaling vinyl costs less too. And yes Virginia, CD’s are digital just delivered on a player.

Vinyl does give one more exercise as you have to get off your duff a lot more.

There are also some all in one solutions like the Naim Uniti boxes that are good.

@ghdprentice Yes Digital into tubes. Right on brother!

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