Mark Levinson & Others


Was considering purchasing one of the newer Mark Levinson integrated amps but I have noticed a lot of them for sale on the used and open box market. Particularly the 585 and the 5805 models, although I am looking at the 5802 model. Is this a bad omen? I know this is not the ML of the past.

Also looking at the Krell K300i but when I called the US authorized Krell repair center, I was surprised when the tech advised me against purchasing any of the newer Krell products. If you are interested in Krell he said to buy the older stuff and refurbish it, that's worth it. I see a few of these units coming on the market now as well.

These are both companies that are newer entities of themselves. Are people purchasing these amps with high expectations, going on their past reputations only to find that they’re not what they were hoping for, for whatever reason?

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@ghdprentice 

Fwiw- I had a ARC D400MKII (solid state) I replaced it with a Levinson 335. the ARC was very nice, definitely more laid back with a richer tonality. But the Levinson kills it with low end control, detail and a bigger denser soundstage. Definitely a level up. 

 

 

Integrateds...  I really like my Esoteric preamp and amp.  Here is the top flying integrated, which was recently phased out, but it is still outstanding.

 

The current holder and lead model is Esoteric's F-03A; read about here:

 

A few years ago, when I was looking to put together a simple system, I wanted to get a Pass Labs Int 250.  A solid preamp and great amp all in one.  I let a used one get away for something like $6,500.00 dollars.  Not a small sum of money, but for that model, that was a good price. 

 

@jl1ny

 

Sorry, my bad, I should have been more specific. An Audio Research tube amp. It is easy to forget they made some solid state amps. They are so known for their tube amps (and tube preamps, and tube phono stages).

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but fwiw, i would agree that among purported high end brand name amplification i always felt levinson and jeff rowland were meh... luxury housings producing mediocre sound

I just went through this myself. I wanted an integrated and was dead set on the Gryphon Diablo 300. Lucky for me, I had a dealer down the street that happened to have two of them for sale. He suggested that I compare it to others prior to buying it. I demo’d that night an Esoteric F1, Krell 300i, and a Luxman 509x. All of these I used the same source (Aurender A30) and speakers (Magico S3).

The prior day, in a different shop I tested the Boulder 866, Accuphase 380 and McIntosh MA12000.

It is hard to compare different things that are not in the same store, so I will just say that the McIntosh and the Accuphase were very close to each other. WIth the speakers and room I had in shop #2 I like the Accupahse the best, but not by much of a margin over the MA-12000. The dealer told me that The Accuphase lacked a bypass mode for HT which I later found out was wrong. The Boulder was painfully bright, I didn’t like it at all.

Shop one all three were really great. The Gryphon which I was dead set on buying I found to be a bit too rolled off. The Esoteric was great but I wasn’t a fan of the sound stage. I found little to no definition or separation in the instruments. The Krell and Luxman were quite similar in sound quality as well as sound stage definition. In the end I bought the Luxman. For me it edged out all the others for over all sound quality, build quality and over all esthetics. For me it hit high marks in every category not just a few.

So if you are able to, find a Luxman dealer and demo the 509x. I compared it to integrateds costing 2x as much and the Luxman was the better unit. Now that is for my ears and my musical tastes, but if you dig into some reviews on it, many others will say the same thing.

Good luck in your search.