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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
kuribo
524 posts
 

@whipsaw 

I would have said this thread but a moderator removed most of the nasty attacks, name calling, and profanity:

 

 

kuribo
524 posts
 

@laoman

 

 

 

If they measure perfectly, why wouldn't he "talk highly" about them???

Perhaps because some of them sound like shite?

And there is the perfect example of the problem...people think their subjective opinions are fact. There are fans and detractors for most of the amps on the market. Opinions don't really mean much of anything in reality.

djones51
4,947 posts
 

My wife is on a few knitting forums, on one of them if you bring up politics you’re banned.

The amplifier most recommended on ASR is not Chinese or class D.

juanmanuelfangioii
958 posts
 

I find no real value in subjective comments on forums such as this

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tonywinga
844 posts
 

Most of the discussions here can be classified as persiflage.  I've noticed that when things get technical the discussion quickly drops off but touchy feeling, "subjective" topics go on for quite a while.  I'm ok with both types of discussions.  They are fun. I find useful information on this site at times.  I would not depend on this site for advice spending $$$ on components.  Nor will I go by the advice of a salesman.  I have to hear them for myself and be convinced the component is robust and reliable.

A story about a buddy of mine who retired some years back and went to work as a salesman for a national tire chain.  He said that one day he gets a call from someone looking for tires for their new Corvette.  The guy says he had a BMW M5 and hated it.  The car practically drove itself he said.  The Corvette is great, he says, it has to be driven.  Some days later he got a call from someone wanting tires for their M5.  They traded in their Corvette for the M5.  They hated the Corvette.  They loved the M5 because it practically drove itself.  

Everybody likes what they like.  Measurements matter to the designers and builders.  

btw- I scour the tire data on the websites and the reviews before I buy.  I buy tires too infrequently to have an informed opinion.  I only know that I liked or disliked the tires that were on the car.  So my behavior is inconsistent but it is difficult to try tires before you buy.  In other words, sometimes we take our chances on a purchase and we will grasp at any information or data that we can find.

I'm always happy with the stereo gear I have until I hear something better...

Measurements?  We don't need no stinkin' measurements.

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