Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@CD318, if you like what Amir writes that's great. I'm sure he likes what you write too, write him a check, its your money after all.  

@invalid Science can be manipulated, take damping factor for instance, it can be measured at 1khz instead of 20hz to 20khz.

Or, take output impedance. The spec may say 100 ohms or whatever, but at low frequencies, say at 20hz, it may be several thousand ohms.

The spec is a single data point.. That is not science, and in fact quite the opposite to what you state. It is marketing, and that is OK if you are of a forgiving nature which I know many here on AG are.

I only know what I said in my first paragraph because of the knowledge revealed by ASR in a review of a Schiit pre-amp some years ago where a full frequency sweep was taken. That is science - total transparency, pimples!!

@noske 

 

Yes, total transparency like when Amir measured a large planar speaker at 1 meter.

@kota1 Excellent analysis of Amir.

@rtorchia The comments made here include Amir’s lack of adequate testing. Damping at 1Khz or 20hz to 20khz, burn-in of equipment prior to testing (unless you don’t believe in that) which nearly all published reviewers talk about and do, etc. etc.

Your $95 USB digital cable could be crap. However, that does not translate that all $95 or $6000 USB cables don’t sound as good as your el cheapo cable. Plus, your system may not resolve musical information as well as those cables provide (or don’t provide). I’ve tested many cables in my systems and found that price is not a determinant of value or musical resolution. After testing half a dozen SPDIF RCA digital cables under $750, I tried a $1500 cable. Low and behold, it was superior in resolution, openness, dynamic contrasts, etc. compared to the less expensive cable. My higher end system easily provided the comparison.

The cable I previously used cost $200 and was an excellent first effort by a cable manufacturer. His other cabling is superb at a very reasonable ($400-$750) price. This time, someone else made a vastly superior cable (Synergistic Research Atmosphere X Euphoria). When I wrote this at ASR, I was pummeled with hatred and vile responses. Because it was considered snake oil. Then the personal attacks began.

I didn’t even mention tube equipment. There is NO reason tube equipment cannot measure well. However, achieving solid state results in the micro distortion levels of .001%, yes they may not be capable to obtain those numbers. Who cares? It’s about the sonic results, not a lab test. My voltage regulated 125 watt tube monoblocks are coasting in powering my 7 driver (3-12" woofers) floorstanders because they are relatively efficient yet dive down to 2.8 ohm bass impedance with a few sharp phase angles.

John Atkinson has pointed out speaker measurements in his reviews that are particularly helpful in understanding how difficult it is to drive very low impedances with very sharp phase angles, with wild frequency responses. I happen to not prefer that speaker brand although they are very popular in England.