another arm/cart question (long post)


Hello all. I've gotten some good advice here for 2 of my tables and would like to hear from the experts again. I've just built a Thorens TD124. Its got a rebuilt motor, main platter bearing upgrade with sapphire bearing and Torlon thrust pad. MK2 motor spring upgrade kit, Audiosilente idler wheel, new mushrooms and grommets, and an Ortofon plinth. New armboard on silicone O-rings, and a fully rebuilt, rewired SME 3009 series 2, unimproved, with an effective mass of 12.5g. The arm has the FD200 fluid damper kit, but its not currently attached. For an initial setup, I put an old Ortofon 540mkii on it and it sounds very good. In fact its close to my Sumiko blackbird low, and AT-OC9XML on my other admittedly lower quality tables/arms. Phono stage is the built in one on a Mcintosh C47, which is quite adjustable for MM or MC. It runs through 2A3 tubes into Altec A5s with modded Hiraga crossovers. Being impressed so far with the 124, I wonder how much better it can sound with a cartridge upgrade. I love my Blackbird and thought about a Starling, but am open to advice. My budget is only 2K for the cart and Ill need to purchase another headshell and wires, so maby $1800ish for the cart. I've studied the resonance charts and know that only gets you about halfway there. I don't have test equipment, only my ears. The chart shows a good match with the starling but Id love some advice. The last 2 times i sought advice here, I followed it with amazing results so thank you all for that !  Also I've raised the arm, and added a 3mm mat to increase the distance from the magnetic platter to the cart for when I upgrade it to MC.  I'd like to know if I will have a good combination with the Sumiko Starling, and if not, which cartridge would you choose ? Fire away !

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I've use the BB and AT OC9.

I found the AT ART9 to be a more pleasant ride. "Affordable" entry to high performance MC's.

ART Series - Line Series - Cartridges | Audio-Technica

Yes the OC9 really improved my Dual 1229. I have been curious about the art series and wondered how much better they were than OC9. 

Search the archives, and you'll find ART9 admiration from owners of mid fi to substantial setups declaring it fit to play with the big guns-provided you the have proper supporting gear, which it appears you do. Naturally, phono stage is paramount.

The ART9 to my ears in my setup, made the Blackbird sound a bit hot on the top.

Compared to the OC9, everything is simply presented on a more convincing level.

Presently using a Kiseki Blue, which I believe ISN'T worth it's MSRP ($2K) having used the ART9.

Unlike some you have posted a lot of detail - nice.

Eff mass of arm *should* work with a lot of MC carts. In practice iirrc that arm likes lighter mass and higher compliance. AT offerings for example.

SME 3009 series 2, unimproved, with an effective mass of 12.5g.

I am not sure about how one would tell about the chatter wth knife edge bearings.
But I did put on a Korf head shell and the sibilance seem pretty much gone except for the loudest pressings and is only on a few LPs now.