Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

Djones51 is exactly right in his assessment of ASR aficionados posted above. My experiences with them have always been very positive. We can debate the relative value of science versus subjectivity endlessly but if people are happy with their components it’s a moot discussion and purely abstract.

But even ASR detractors here will have to admit that Amir”s analysis of manufacturer craftsmanship is extremely insightful and valuable to potential purchasers. You can’t argue with the guy when he shows photos of improperly wired connections, slovenly soldering, faulty grounding, cheap materials, etc. There’s nothing abstract about that. Do you want to pay a king’s ransom to some esoteric company for a poorly made component? Consumers deserve to know what’s going on inside that box.

Anyhow, I hope readers of this thread will approach ASR with an open mind and draw their own conclusions. Ours is a great hobby and there’s plenty of room for different perspectives. 

@quiet When I read this topic and all the posts, it reminds me of arguments between theists and atheists.

To an outsider, perhaps.  In reality it is all prompted by an increase in scientific and  technical awareness thanks to ASR and a consequent rapidly diminishing appetite for uber expensive gear.  

Join the dots as to what motivation the ASR detractors real agenda is.  I don't think the most vocal posters are doing their cause much good, and in fact is probably encouraging many people reading this to check out ASR for themselves.

The law of unintended consequences.

So it is scientific class warfare. The “have nots” vs the “haves”

Really what he is doing is validating to his base that shopping at Walmart is okay. And that is fine but do not attack me for wanting to buy from a manufacturer that makes their DAC in Canada and it cost $10K and yes it sounds better than that $1000 DAC from China.

Amir is catering to his customer base.

He pushes his line of Topping products and disses well respected honest manufacturers with his flawed and smoke n mirrors test methods