Phono Stage Upgrade


I have been reading through most of the threads and discussions related to phono stages and was struck by a comment on how one’s phono stage investment should be approximately equal to the spend on one’s turntable. 
 

I currently have the Sutherland Little Loco, which has been not given me any issues at all. However, with my current setup of a Palmer 2.5i and the Audio Orgami arm plus a Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum cartridge, I am wondering if I am missing out on the potential of this combination?

 I am definitely intrigued by the ARC 3SE and PH9, but am unsure of the interplay between these phono stages and my current cartridge and tonearn. I am not interested in having to recable anything and also read something about a quirky approach to power mains with ARC. I am running all of my gear using LFD mains and am quite happy with them. 
 

Finally, it is not entirely obvious where to actually purchase this gear as there is no one local to me and my two usual dealers (Gene Rubin and Fidelis) don’t carry ARC. I would love a recommendation as to a dealer I might contact. I will also keep my eyes open for a reputable used option. 
 

Thanks in advance for your help. 
 

 

thr1961

@4krowme

This puts you in a great position to get the perfect one next time. Read every professional review of the four phono stages you bought. You know what the four you owned sounded like. This should give you a solid basis to relate to the reviews. Then go to The Absolute Sound’s and Stereophile’s recommended components issue. You should be able to pick one or a brand (high end companies have a “house sound”) to audition or purchase.

 

Unless of course you are looking at preamps that are too inexpensive. Then fishing there may be the wrong place. Phonostages are really important and truly good ones cost money. My first Phonostage was a class A recommended one for $200… it sounded terrible… I upgraded until I got the AUdio Research PH8.

ARC makes some nice gear and there are lots of other options.

Modwright for one. 

@jemmer01 Michael Klein is a class act. Will help you make educated decisions. 

 

Well guys, it was a mix of different equipment in that 2 were kits, and two were commercial. It will come as no surprise to those who may have owned a Vincent PHO8, that it was the first to go. In spite of the fact that it was very quiet, it sounded dead to me. I thought that this would hold me over while I was building a great kit from Glassware Audio. I won't go into it much at this point, but suffice it to say that the instruction manual lacked information that only an engineer might know. This along with a circuit board that had been 'modified' on one channel, but not the other led me to insanity. I sent the whole, heavy unit to a tech in Florida that really does know his stuff. He sent it back in working order (after 4 months) but I only use it for headphones. (Something in the rest of my system probably has issues, as it sounds terrible unless connected to headphones using the same brand of amp). Don't bother to advise me on this particular issue. I am done with it.

  So, I built yet another kit. This time from Pete Millet. Completely different design, and I am very impressed by the sound, yet I had a lot of trouble getting rid of hum issues. The result was to put the power supply in another chassis. Before I forget, the COVID thing made a problem in getting the proper Cinemag inductors for the unit. That cost me about 6 months' time!  As it stands, I am currently using it and will probably continue to for a long time.

 Now, the kicker. I bought a used Jolida JD 'something' I forget. If you leave it alone you will be just fine. But not me. I had to open it up, and go to a site that shows all the mods that can be done. I think that it sounded just as good to start with and the mods only would help if something was already in trouble like an old electrolytic capacitor for example. Don't ask me why, but I sold it. The customer had issues with it that I never had, like picking up radio stations, and some hum, I think. I got the unit back in my system and no, not one issue of that nature. It worked very well. Now the customer has it again, but the same issues continue. Is this Hi-Fi Hell or what?

 My point here again is all that I really wanted to do in the beginning was to play records, get it? What I should have done to save time and money, was to audition other phono preamps with a return policy. Even though I am relatively happy now, the price was too great. 

I continue to lean towards the ARC 3SE and have been offered a barely used trade in with about 60 hours on it. The photos look great and the store was recommended to me by someone I trust. 

 

Being new to tubes, I am not sure if it is better to buy new or to save a bit more than $3k. 

 

Thoughts?