So you are saying my oscilloscope does listen to music, I wonder what type it likes?
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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@amir_asr , I have asked in this thread and through DM’s, is this a one way street where you come here and post or are you going to tear down the wall at ASR? No one is stopping you from posting here, why are you avoiding this (and many other) questions? Are you a drive by poster or what? |
Above tells me you either have not read Dr. Toole's research or understood it. He absolutely does NOT advocate flat-in-room response. The response should be sloping down. Otherwise the sound will seem bright. What he advocates correctly and what is followed by many top designers in the world is flat-on-axis response, and off-axis that is smooth and similar to it, but pointing down. On-axis response is NOT an average by the way. It is a single anechoic measurement. Of axis is made up of key strong reflections in a room. Research shows that they are most critical when it comes to off-axis performance. Your statement about different people wanting different sound is incorrect. This has been researched across hundreds of listeners of all types. Most of us like very similar sound and in controlled testing, pick the same speaker as the best. See:
And no, we don't accept everything Dr. Toole and his research team say. I for example don't publish preference scores for either speakers or headphones. These are the topics we discuss day in and day out in ASR. So if this is of interest for you, ASR is the right place. If you want to stick to folklore of "we are hear differently," then not so much. |
There is no wall at ASR. Hundreds of members join the forum from all walks of life. Only a handful get banned because all they want to do is argue and not provide any data to the conversation. All claims are empty such as yours: "you should not test a cable before 100 hours of burn-in." When asked based on what, you have no answer. You can't explain the engineering. You can't back it with any controlled test. Yet want to repeat that 22 times in one hour demanding that folks believe you. Well, we don't. We have better things to do than cater to likes of yours. If on the other hand you are interested in proper discussion of audio science and engineering, then you have a great home in ASR. And to be clear, I am NOT here as a appeal court for your banishment from ASR. I am here to answer questions and clear up misconceptions posted about us. So please don't keep asking me to remove your ban. You had the opportunity to be a constructive member but you threw it away. And that is that. |
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