Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@fleschler

Going back to OP:

If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money.

There is no denying this as true, it even continues in this thread right now with the "financially independent" as he calls himself @amir_asr lecturing us about money and audio. It never ends, unless uhhh what was that about someones pockets?

 

@jtgofish 

Amir what I meant by average is that there was no detail of the spread of listener preferences from which the type of listener average was calculated.That might have been quite an even and narrow bell curve or quite uneven and wide one.So it does not really show relative variability between individual listeners.

Full set of data is available in research papers from Dr. Olive. As are groupings.  There is no bell shape to them.  We are all remarkably similar in how we like uncolored sound (in blind/bias controlled testing).  There are sure to be outliers but unless  you know 100%, then better not think that. 

 

@kota1 

@fleschler

Going back to OP:

If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money.

There is no denying this as true, it even continues in this thread right now with the "financially independent" as he calls himself @amir_asr lecturing us about money and audio. It never ends, unless uhhh what was that about someones pockets?

It should now be very clear why we ban this individual.  Constant bickering with no constructive and useful information to share. It is all about him and what he demands to know. Give him answer and it goes in one ear and comes out the other, repeating the same argument over and over again.

 

Long term listening is still the gold standard of audio evaluation. Short term evaluations often lead to errors but it's much harder to hold an inaccurate evaluation over the course of many listening sessions and sometimes it takes many hours to find the faults of the playback system. 

Amir said:

I tested a PS audio directstream DAC. It measured poorly in low frequencies. After a bunch of back and forth with claims you believe in, it turns out that for cost reasons they used low quality transformers that produced more distortion! Multi-thousand dollar DAC used low quality parts...

Don't be so naive.  All manufacturers have price points.  If you do not like the sound of their DAC, move on.  Buy something that sounds better to you or tear them all apart until you find one built like you want it.  Danny, a real audio and measurement guy tests and tears down speakers costing thousands of dollars and shows us the low cost parts inside.  The speaker was built to have a certain sound and performance for its price point. It is not a gotcha game.  It is the realities of business.  Danny also designs upgrade kits for these speakers that one can buy if they are interested in improving the sound.  Every piece of gear has room for improvement no matter the cost point.

Something more useful might be durability testing.  HALT testing (Highly accelerated life testing) on gear to find the weak points and define the useful life of the gear would be interesting- but costly.