Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@tonywinga 

Measurements by themselves mean nothing. 

That's right.  This is the reason we follow extensive research into what measurements to use and invest incredible amount of money and time to get them.  The research into speaker design is very authoritative.  But if you have not read and understand them, then you wind up being dismissive.  Membership in ASR will get you that knowledge.  Without it, you are lost forever, throwing random darts at the wall.

Note that I listen to every speaker I review.  Measurements are the foundation but I test them by listening. And equalization.

I also listen to every headphone and every headphone amplifier.  These constitute about half of what I review.

I perform more listening tests in a month than others do in a year or even lifetime!

So the notion that we only measure on ASR is completely wrong. It is a false notion to justify having one's head in the sand regarding authoritative work that we on ASR.  

@russ69 

"Long term listening is still the gold standard of audio evaluation. Short term evaluations often lead to errors but it's much harder to hold an inaccurate evaluation over the course of many listening sessions and sometimes it takes many hours to find the faults of the playback system. 

That is a myth unfortunately.  Your long term memory is quite "lossy" as the brain can't possibly remember everything the hearing system captures.  This has been proven through controlled listening tests: 

"The results were that the Long Island group [Audiophile/Take Home Group] was unable to identify the distortion in either of their tests. SMWTMS's listeners also failed the "take home" test scoring 11 correct out of 18 which fails to be significant at the 5% confidence level. However, using the A/B/X test, the SMWTMS not only proved audibility of the distortion within 45 minutes, but they went on to correctly identify a lower amount. The A/B/X test was proven to be more sensitive than long-term listening for this task."

See how we behave on ASR?  you say something but provide no proof.  I say it and not only provide proof, but also fundamentals of how our hearing works.

I find it funny that this thread instigated an owner of another site to come here and defend himself and his site.

But how convenient to leave topics he has no idea about and only reply to those which are close to his heart. Never discussed about my last post here on why everyone hears the same sound differently.

Also, what's the point of measuring so many electronics? I don't think he runs a charity. Everyone has got a reason. I don't believe he is doing community service, cause I have seen after every measurement he asks for charity.

And this same poster says that Audiogon members are "biased". But the he measures the equipment and claims to listen to them. How does bias not set in at that point? After all he is a ordinary human being and bias is in human nature.

@milpai +10, you nailed it, he can't reply to topics he knows nothing about on this site, where on his site he will just ban you so he doesn't reveal that his tank is empty.

@kota1 ,

Banning folks displays frustration in my view. When you have no answers to questions OR when you cannot convince the other party to be on the same page as you, you ban the person. And then come here and claim that the person was asked for evidence.

I am glad that sites like Audiogon does not have this banning process for people who stick to their beliefs. If I don't like your point of view, then good day to you and we are all good. No offense.

And it is even more funny, when I read about how the science folks say that posters here are ok with science related to chips in cars, aerodymanics, control neuclear technology, etc. Are we dealing with kids on that site? Do they understand the difference between "being human and having senses" and "human inventions that are non-living things"? We have a "hearing" sense. How are all those inventions they talking about related to senses? Those are "inventions to make life easy", so that we have more time for enjoying life (including listening to music). Looks like they are such a frustrated bunch that they cannot even think properly now. Medical science needs to come up with a pill to cure that bunch of their frustrations.