Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@milpai +10, you nailed it, he can't reply to topics he knows nothing about on this site, where on his site he will just ban you so he doesn't reveal that his tank is empty.

@kota1 ,

Banning folks displays frustration in my view. When you have no answers to questions OR when you cannot convince the other party to be on the same page as you, you ban the person. And then come here and claim that the person was asked for evidence.

I am glad that sites like Audiogon does not have this banning process for people who stick to their beliefs. If I don't like your point of view, then good day to you and we are all good. No offense.

And it is even more funny, when I read about how the science folks say that posters here are ok with science related to chips in cars, aerodymanics, control neuclear technology, etc. Are we dealing with kids on that site? Do they understand the difference between "being human and having senses" and "human inventions that are non-living things"? We have a "hearing" sense. How are all those inventions they talking about related to senses? Those are "inventions to make life easy", so that we have more time for enjoying life (including listening to music). Looks like they are such a frustrated bunch that they cannot even think properly now. Medical science needs to come up with a pill to cure that bunch of their frustrations.

Amir,

As an audio equipment reviewer, why do you choose not to actually listen (with music) to every audio component you review?

Note that I already understand (from your prior post) that you do listen to speakers & headphones. I'm wondering why you limit actual listening tests to those and don't bother to listen (again with music) to amps, dac's, etc. 

@fleschler 

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

I think you miss Darko's point. He made no unequivocal statements that generalised that way. He certainly listens to and describes differences between gear—specific comparisons, not general ones—and he doesn't offer measurements. Try watching a bit more.

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?

Although Darko has done room measurements and room treatment, ASR is quite different to Darko in other respects. ASR would probably say they are measurements-first, but as Amir has posted here, he certainly listens to headphones and speakers. At times he notes subjective responses that don't exactly line up with measurements (iirc a Buchardt speaker that didn't sound as good as it graphed, and a Wilson that was the opposite). Darko says he is music-first, and doesn't do measurements on gear at all.

As for musical taste, ASR skews pretty old (compared to me :-) and the 'music we are listening to' thread/s are full of stuff may parents recall (but generally more mainstream). Absolutely not limited to post-1995. Almost the opposite. There is an electronic music thread which is much better. Amir himself appears to have quite varied taste based on his testing playlist (no hyperpop or glitchcore, but a fair few good modern composers and groups that wouldn't put me off).

Darko of course has great taste in music, which is the main reason I watch his stuff.

As for tribalism, audio Taliban and such, sure there's unfortunate internet aggro and posturing. You'll even find threads where people can't cope with descriptors like 'warm' for frequency response, no matter how patiently others posters explain common terminology. But STEM-educated people don't always have language skills. And yes, if I said that on ASR I'd get an instant slap from their mods and some penalty points to go with it. So I don't.

@axo1989 , welcome to the forum, if you look at the various threads here besides this one is there anything that catches your interest? Feel free to ask anything audio related you would like and I think you will enjoy the back and forth banter and the wide range of posters and opinions.