Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
@russ69 +1 I think measuring amp by driving pure resistive load is not enough. It is much harder for amp to drive actual, far from ideal, non-linear, distorting. etc speaker, vs resistive linear load. Many PASS amps on my opinion are good choice for driving high end speakers. |
@prof Right, and after OldHvyMec made his first major statement, there was a dispute, then 2 pancake posts and then posts where he could peddle his wire and break-in assumptions. As to cartridge break-in, just admit you know nothing concerning vinyl playback. There are no tests that I have viewed indicating new versus 50 hour break-in results in sonic characteristic changes. HOWEVER, just because it wasn’t tested, I am not going out on a limb by stating nearly every other site discussing and reviewing cartridges ALWAYS recommends listening/reviewing after break-in, 15 hours or 50 hours or whatever. I will swear that I have heard break-in of my new cartridges after 50 hours of play, which has happened over a dozen times since I’ve owned VPI turntables (40 years in 2023). As to speakers, my dynamic speakers took about 50 to 100 hours to go from very dark sounding to open sounding. Not subtle, very obvious. I'm with OldHvyMec 100% on mechanical break-in. As a cable beta tester, I hear the cable raw, then burn it in for 24 hours. I can't say I can always tell if it sounds better, but I can always tell when it sounds worse. Depends on the cable. Doesn't matter to ASR. Tubes, maybe an hour or two. |
Some of the greatest sounding musical instruments, in fact most all musical instruments and even concert halls were designed and built without computers and electronic analysis equipment. They were designed and built by artisans with skilled hands and ears. It's all about what we hear. When someone tries telling me I am not hearing what I think I am hearing, well that goes over with me about like putting a tax on a child's piggy bank. |
@tonywinga 100%. I stated as much concerning modern (100% computer/AI designed) concert halls versus classic old concert halls. Funny thing is that after the initial performances of a season or two, nearly all of those modern halls are then "renovated," "adjusted" to sound better generally determined by listening to the results and finding fault. Luckily, my audiophile friends, mastering engineers and audio equipment manufacturer don't doubt what I hear. The former and latter friends have provided me with acoustic room suggestions in my former home. The mastering engineers just share music. |
@tonywinga you have for all intents and purposes said you are not honest with yourself. Every day our brain presents us with ideas that are not true. Many have inflated view of aspects of themselves, while having deflated views of other aspects. Our brain lies to us all the time. But this time, this time while listening to audio, it is 100% fallible? |
