Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

@russ69  how many times will you and others repeat this lie?  It does not suddenly become true just because you repeat it.

They have one mantra: If it's not measured, it's BS. Totally ignoring the scientific area of observation.

 

I see @cd318 also called you on this. Maybe it will sink it.

@rockrider 

Speaking for myself, I cannot accept the first statement because “make sense at an engineering level” is too limited. I firmly believe our current state of knowledge cannot fully describe the sound quality that will result from a given system/room. 

If a power conditioner has no effect on the output, or a USB cable has no effect on the output as Amir had shown in tests, then how could the sound of the system / room possibly change?  If you refute the accuracy of Amirs tests, do you have any basis for that?

I see your post and many here either anti science or anti authority. I am not sure which.  A comment was made that people here are people of means. People of means often have issues with people in positions of authority putting limits on them. Amir is effectively in a position of authority and is putting virtual limits on what audiophiles can claim without repercussion. Maybe that is what mosy irks many of the posters here

They have one mantra: If it’s not measured, it’s BS.

@russ69 how many times will you and others repeat this lie?

 

...or a USB cable has no effect on the output as Amir had shown in tests,

Does that not include a measurement to underscore any result?

@crymeanaudioriver said

“If a power conditioner has no effect on the output, or a USB cable has no effect on the output as Amir had shown in tests, then how could the sound of the system / room possibly change?”

This statement assumes Amir is testing all possible phenomena that effect sound quality.  I do not believe this.  Feel free to believe he is if you want to, but don’t insist I must believe what you believe. 

My belief is not anti science because science is about observation and discovery.  In my opinion, your position is about stagnation and your belief you know everything there is to know. 

It is obvious you know as much about wine as about audio. In other words as much as the man in the moon. Run back to asr and be a minion to your minion leader. "Amir is effectively in a position of authority". Authority of what? Arrogant rude horse manure? It is telling that you were not able to mention one audio identity who thinks your minion leader is worth paying any notice to. I am done talking to you and your ilk.

I feel like the whole discussion comes down to the definition of what is ’better’.

One could say equipment A is ’better’ than B based on measured parameters like frequency response, pulse response, distortion, phase, waterfall and what have you.

As far as hearing goes, it’s always completely subjective. We can’t use the word ’better’ in this respect, it’s all about how much a person likes the sound. People may like vinyl or tubes more, even though measurements prove the sound is colored or has higher distortion. People may hear a difference between power cords, even though it can’t be measured. So what? If someone likes it more, than that’s a given.

I actually have no idea what the whole discussion is about. Scientific measurements can deduct a certain device measures better than another, and listening tests can deduct a person likes a certain sound more than another. These are two entirely different things, and both can live perfectly together.