Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

It is obvious you know as much about wine as about audio. In other words as much as the man in the moon. Run back to asr and be a minion to your minion leader. "Amir is effectively in a position of authority". Authority of what? Arrogant rude horse manure? It is telling that you were not able to mention one audio identity who thinks your minion leader is worth paying any notice to. I am done talking to you and your ilk.

I feel like the whole discussion comes down to the definition of what is ’better’.

One could say equipment A is ’better’ than B based on measured parameters like frequency response, pulse response, distortion, phase, waterfall and what have you.

As far as hearing goes, it’s always completely subjective. We can’t use the word ’better’ in this respect, it’s all about how much a person likes the sound. People may like vinyl or tubes more, even though measurements prove the sound is colored or has higher distortion. People may hear a difference between power cords, even though it can’t be measured. So what? If someone likes it more, than that’s a given.

I actually have no idea what the whole discussion is about. Scientific measurements can deduct a certain device measures better than another, and listening tests can deduct a person likes a certain sound more than another. These are two entirely different things, and both can live perfectly together.

I read the reviews on ASR and take the measurements seriously. Why wouldn’t I. I am an engineer myself. But there are a lot of parameters that can’t be measured (yet), or people are not up to date with there skills. I am not on the same level as great designers like Nelson Pass of Bruno Putzeys and I love to learn from them and other great designers on diyAudio.

ASR should take a look at DIY audio forum.The problem is the attitude towards ’audiophools’. Not respectful and sometimes plain arrogant, just like some posters on Agon. More modesty and an open mind would be a good thing.

Don’t tell me what I hear or can’t hear, based on "whatever". Some people don’t like exploration and discussion. They just want to be an authority because there ego is to big (and brittle at the same time). There is no 'one nerd to rule them all', we are all just a bunch of nerds with toys.

One of the youtube reviewers said the simplest thing that resonates about hifi, "what fake do you like".  Hifi is not real it is trying to replicate what occurred somewhere else in your living room. Which fake anybody prefers is completely individual and cannot be measured by instruments.

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