The AVS forum has the same herd mentality, might even be worse than the ASR forums. At least the ASR has tons of measurements to look at....
You can say that again!
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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@prof Well, something about power cords not being cast as unimportant in your prior post to electrical engineers is WRONG! My 3 year neighbor who has an expensive high end system including YG Sonja 2.3s, Meridian Ultradac, Audio Research SP28, etc and good other cabling, computer based listing using CDs transferred to it thought the same as you as to power cords. He was an electrical engineer for 30+ years. He used Pangea power cords on his equipment. The sound was not good. Bass frequencies were a mess. The reproduction of the frequency range was very ragged with some frequencies standing out and some recessed. Hearing a bass played on his system was awful. I lent him an Empress ($300) 7 year old GroverHuffman power cable for his amp. He was blown away. The bass started to sound coherent. He still had this spacey sound, undefined highs. He knows how good my lower cost system is. He purchased six GroverHuffman Pharoah power cables ($750 each) to replace all his Pangeas. I now enjoy going over to his home and listening to music. He is up to 2 am like me listening. The system is truly high end now. He still has no explanation why electricity in power cables differ, only that different design and material cables work there too. This is not an ad for a specific cable. It is a rebuttal to anyone who says electrical engineers don't see a difference in power cables. |
@rtorchia Most of the subjectivists here, like the OP, are pleased with the components they own and that is very good. You like what you hear which is all anyone can ask. So what ASR says about your stereo shouldn’t bother you. If I had some of these systems, all connected with the most expensive and exotic cables, I’d sit back and enjoy the music, and refrain from insulting Amir, ASR, and most of all science. You are correct, what Amir says about my system doesn't bother me. It is his defamatory twisting, out of context statements about me in this forum and his cohorts at ASR. I didn't call him a fraud like so many at his site call so many high end companies/owners. I do consult measurements when/where they are available and relevant. I generally do not want a speaker that is difficult to drive if it has a combination of low efficiency and low impedance with high phase angles. I don't want a speaker with a ragged frequency response. I don't want an amp that has rapidly increasing distortion into easy loads (or anything above 3% THD). There are so many other factors. I am not a subjectivist or objectivist. I will not purchase gear based on tests alone. Just because I purchase gear only after auditioning it does not make me a subjectivist either.
My next post will give you an indication of what I consider dubious (except I've actually heard/encountered most of these products). |