2. tech-talk
  3. 179565-17492

Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
crymeanaudioriver
101 posts
 

@moto_man  you started fine then rejected science. You can pick and choose what you believe but that is the point where you transition from science to belief.  ASR people don't reject listening as a method they reject personal accounts listening accounts.  The science side has done many many blind listening tests, documented so they can be repeated, that have explored the limits of hearing. ASR does nothing but accept that science absent any well controlled studies that prove otherwise.  They inherently are not the people to prove otherwise in a controlled listening test as they are biased. The people here are. Ideally the best situation is the people from ASR running the test and the people from Audiogon being participants. One group will come away right. I have little doubt the ASR crowd would participate. Would the people from here participate?

ghasley
2,489 posts
 

@crymeanaudioriver you still here? I had already forgotten you stopped by….

mitch2
3,974 posts
 

@ghasley 

Thinly veiled disciples of a cult “subjectively” preaching to a crowd of those who know better…then when the preaching doesn’t work they continue to sermonize with neither an invitation nor a rational purpose for continuing.

Please clarify, which side is the “cult”?   
With both sides playing a zero-sum game, there is no room for compromise or understanding.  

prof
3,473 posts
 

@axo1989 

I can see your point of view regarding ASR. 

I don't know if you have been a member long enough to have seen some of my skirmishes with Amir and crew.   One got a bit crazy.  But for me it's always water-under-the-bridge.

noske
783 posts
 

@moto_man I suggest a good start would be to compare like with like, and at the most basic this would mean the same AWG. Same length, same connectors.

Anything else is meaningless because you may be comparing things that are not alike in their physical characteristics. 

If stock is 20 AWG, and the $$$ ones are say 12 or 14 AWG and are a few metres shorter, yes, you will hear a difference.  They will measure differently.

More to discover