Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

Not what this thread is about Mr Jones. Never was. I own several Class D amplifiers. This was about Amir and ASR.

Some of you need to climb out of your bubble. It's a whole new world out there. European companies large and small are pushing the envelope especially in speaker design, class D amps, active DSP controlled full systems

 

@henry53 

AMR continues to make measurements that appear extremely accurate but have no reference whatsoever to audible sound.

I don't see how that is an accurate account of what ASR is doing.

The whole point of the measurements are always with respect to the audible consequences, or not, of those measurements.  The speaker measurements for instance arose BECAUSE of how they have been correlated to audible differences in speaker design.  Amir often explains the audible consequences of the measurements, and also listens and reports any relevant audible consequences.

If you mean to reference their measurements of things like SINAD, then once again, it's all in the context of audibility - that is, "will this be audible?" and the answer can be yes or no depending on the measurement.  A lot of the SINAD differences are in to the inaudible range, but that's the point - ensuring they are in the inaudible range.

I agree that it can look a bit silly to keep chasing ever greater SINAD numbers once we are well in to the inaudible range.  However, in the bigger picture, the fact the measurements allow us to know the gear in question has distortion elements that are inaudible is the main point.

 

European companies large and small are pushing the envelope especially in speaker design, class D amps, active DSP controlled full systems.

 

Is NAD a European company any more? I think they are effectively Canadian now.

@prof  I wonder if many of the people participating in this topic will realize that what they are writing, the way they write it, and how they misrepresent ASR, Amir and measurements in audio, will not be perceived by many who read this as a definitive debunking of ASR, but as a definitive debunking of their own beliefs?