What is the “World’s Best Cartridge”?


I believe that a cartridge and a speaker, by far, contribute the most to SQ.

The two transducers in a system.

I bit the bulllet and bought a Lyra Atlas SL for $13K for my Woodsong Garrard 301 with Triplanar SE arm. I use a full function Atma-Sphere MP-1 preamp. My $60K front end. It is certainly, by far, the best I have owned. I read so many comments exclaiming that Lyra as among the best. I had to wait 6 months to get it. But the improvement over my excellent $3K Mayijima Shilabi was spectacular-putting it mildly.

I recently heard a demo of much more pricy system using a $25K cartridge. Seemed to be the most expensive cartridge made. Don’t recall the name.

For sure, the amount of detail was something I never heard. To hear a timpani sound like the real thing was incredible. And so much more! 
This got me thinking of what could be possible with a different kind of cartridge than a moving coil. That is, a moving iron.

I have heard so much about the late Decca London Reference. A MI and a very different take from a MC. Could it be better? The World’s Best? No longer made.

However Grado has been making MI cartridges for decades. Even though they hold the patent for the MC. Recently, Grado came out with their assault on “The World’s Best”. At least their best effort. At $12K the Epoch 3. I bought one and have been using it now for about two weeks replacing my Lyra. There is no question that the Atlas SL is a fabulous cartridge. But the Epoch is even better. Overall, it’s SQ is the closest to real I have heard. To begin, putting the stylus down on the run in grove there is dead silence. As well as the groves between cuts. This silence is indicative of the purity of the music content. Everything I have read about it is true. IME, the comment of one reviewer, “The World’s Best”, may be true.
 

 

mglik

 

 

@mikelavigne , in both times there were gentlemans that " encourage " me to follow posting in the way I did and do with first hand experiences , facts and some " science " and obviously no applauses when some one posted no sense subjective issues, Just like in this thread, I don’t gave you any congratulations ( as all the wbf " friends " of you. ) because it’s not nothing that you did or do it in your room system. You did not improved but merely walked 3-4 steps down the quality system ladder.

The responsability of any good friend is to give advise and warnings on those audio system issues. Your audio " friends " where you are really happy with them only " encouraje " you to follow in the same wrong road and this is what you don’t like because you are in the last 2-3 years accustomed only to applauses/congratulations and any Agoner can confirm what I’m posting here only reading the wbf thread you linked or any other of your threads there.

Before the manufacturer disclosed the cartridge FR spec I told you founding in your posts that something was wrong with but what you posted here and in wbf made that an Agoner pulled the triger for that cartridge and he did it because your posts and he does not took in count the warnings and fact posted here against that cartridge. Do you help that OP? certainly not and I’m sorry for him.

 

" why i should not post here or attempt to interact with you..."

 

Mike, sorry but it’s not interact with me it’s interact with the true reality that just you and many other gentlemans just do not likes. @dover is direct as me and you don’t feel the same " interact ", you can read his post in this thread.

The wbf changed you and not for the better.

 

Btw, one of those wbf that encourage me to follow posting in the same way is

bazelio and his words are down there as like the words of the other gentlemans that like it no applauses if there is nothing to applause. Yes, my styles is way different to the one in wbf .

But here exist a fact: you don’t tell us and telling me what of all what I posted is totally wrong with the explanation/facts where you found it about. I know you have no facts for that or you cdid not wanted to do it.

 

Even if you do not cosidere any more to ineract with me or to " think " I’m an audio friend I still cosider you as that.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

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@intactaudio I own and in the past have used a Autoformer of your design during comparisons sessions.

I found the gathering of pre knowledge of the sound level difference of components and the recording the Clockwise/Anticlockwise clicks to work as an easy method for presenting different components in a very close sound level 'to my perception' using the 1.25 db steps as a fine tune.

On occasions, guests would be party to comparisons, I have no recollection of anybody requesting the pre-selected levels needing to be tweaked. 

Not at any time do I recall needing to use the other option available to myself to complete a fine tune.  

1db as a description does sound like an accurate increment for my ears, my system and in my listening environment.

Dear @mijostyn  : " In order to fool the human ear you only need a 0.3 dB difference in volume.  "

 

You posted the statement as is a " rule " or a measured standard and can't be a rule due to so many variables down there:

- first is that no one has mated ears with the same sensitivity, FR at the same frequency range deviations, almost nothing inside both ears are exactly the same.

-  second, the speakers normally are not exactly mated with the need it accuracy for their sound couldbe " leveled ".

- third, your electronics neither and niether the system cables. Time to time I make a check up in my monobloks about: output levels, bias and FR. Even in my phonolinepreamp the the attenuators with SMD resistors are extremely close in its " linearity " but not exactly.

- you can have mated speakers/cables and electronics but you need along those that the whole audio system have very high resolution and very low noise levels.

- four, you need exactly what to look for in the tracks that you are using for those comparisons ( for years  I always use same tracks in the LPs and at same SPL and seated at near field position. You need to know exactly how is the sound of those choosed LP tracks: knowing it as the fingers of your hands.

- the db levels where we can be foolished depends of what we are trying to " measure ".

 

It's not easy to have a general rule with. In my examples/first hand experiences where I learned about detection of distortions that " dull " sound makes me to ask for a little high SPL for the " life come on " but I never did it because I learned it's not necessary to disappears that " dull " /"low SPL" modifiying the attenuators position.

 

Yes maybe we can detect 0.3db deviations but not always because depends directly of what we are " measuring " through our imperfect ears and imperfect system. In other cases maybe we need over 1db deviation to been aware of it.

 

Maybe theory is what you posted but is different for any one of us. Normally all of us should detect more or less easy sound in the midrange frequency range but not so easy at both frequency extremes that in reality is what matters the more.

 

Well that's my take about.

 

R.

 

Actually, if you look at Mijostyn's syntax, he is not wrong: " In order to fool the human ear you only need a 0.3 dB difference in volume.  "

Literally, this could be construed to mean that, because the human ear canNOT distinguish an SPL difference of 0.3db (because, as Intact Audio stated, 1db is by definition the smallest difference in SPL that can be distinguished by the human ear) then we CAN be fooled by a difference of only 0.3db into thinking there is no difference in SPL between the two respective sources.