@fleschler +1, every post in this thread (even ones that disagree with you) seems to confirm your original thesis when starting this thread, congratulations! Over 1000 posts in this thread can’t be wrong, that’s how I measure the deal.
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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Yeesh. Amir isn’t ’invading’ Audiogon.
Someone created a thread critiquing him and his web site, so he’s entered the thread to clear up misconceptions and answer questions. I think it’s great that he showed up! Should we just keep this an echo chamber where criticisms are thrown around and never countered because "stay in your lane!" ?? Also, don’t speak for everyone: plenty of people here do not wish to fall for b.s. claims made by manufacturers and we are glad there are places like ASR which puts these (and other audiophile claims) under more rigorous scrutiny. And I'm sure I'm not alone in appreciating Amir showing up here to disabuse misinfo. Don’t treat Audiogon as some hive-mind of pure Golden-Eared subjectivism - the members span a gamut. |
What? I didn't ask you to measure anything. I asked you to listen only with your ears. And not with your eyes. I have repeated over and over again that listening tests are the gold standard over measurements. You have spent a ton of time here posting. In that much time you could have conducted many blind tests showing us how your ears correctly identify one cable vs another. As for my example, it was a concrete data point. As I keep saying, we are fans of what we can prove and demonstrate, not just claim. Will you follow or are folks supposed to believe an online person because he just says so? |
With my eyes open like you, and full of preconceptions, I hear the difference every day of the week and twice on Sunday! I report the same in my reviews. Problem is, when I close my eyes, the difference vanishes like a fart in the wind. And that is what happened to Mike in that test. So it doesn't matter which school of thought you arrive from. Use only your ears and then conclusions are something we can talk about. Remember, there is a cost to you what you believe in. Such fancy cables cost money that could be put to other use like buying more music, good food, etc. So you best be sure when you insist that you are right. Repeating misconceptions about me won't get you there. |
@cindyment @crymeanaudioriver or your other 19 usernames. You are the Tick carrying Lyme Disease to forums. The rat that carries the plague. |
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