Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

I found this quite interesting and it appears the folks over at this site do quite a bit of testing. They seem to be very transparent about their test equipment, methodology and end goals in testing. They even make a statement as such.

@amir_asr what say you? I do not go on your site very often as the equipment you test is not of any interest to me. The question is are you as transparent in your net goals and testing criteria?

 

 

@juanmanuelfangioii +1  He tales the joy out of the hobby.  It is a hobby for most of us, not a vocation. 

I only accepted a small fee for one recording/mastering session out of 250+ recordings because I love music so much (sometimes performing as well) and being around so many creative people (composers of many movies and music loving actors as well).  

I am fortunate to have several friends who I consider to have golden ear hearing and two that have been employed in remastering of LPs for Kevin Gray and Chad Kassem's labels.  One finds digital recording just another format, the other hates it and sticks only to analog.  They both can detect anomalies/distractions in a sound system and possible solutions in acoustics and mechanical devices (not electronic) very quickly.   It's great to have those friends who are so picky about sound.  They have been nit-picking my system for decades but provided me leads on improving it to the state is in now which they say is all I need.  No guest leaves my house after listening without wanting to return to hear more.  I have to set time limits. 

What @fleschler said about Amir,

@Amir Keep your fans on ASR.  Can't hear differences in cables that measure the same=something is very wrong here.  .....   You think you are superior to nearly everyone who posts on Audiogon because your opinion is based on measurements (except when you don't find a measurable difference ala cables, tweaks, etc). 

Amir's exact words,

I have repeated over and over again that listening tests are the gold standard over measurements. 

 

How do we move forward if the same lies continue to be repeated?

How do we move forward if some audiophiles refuse to put their faith to the test and do a blind listening test?

@amir_asr I find it interesting that these Dutch lads could do speaker cable tests, find measurable differences and on the subjective side hear the difference in the various speaker cables.

May need to use your translation features for some of the pages.

Interesting these guys are testing some very nice gear. And do blind testing what ever your name is @crymeanaudioriver