Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@fleschler 

Yet again...your replies are just exemplifying all my arguments for me.

Every reply is based on your own infallible hearing.  No other evidence need apply. 

And if for instance I didn't hear a difference between some tweak or cable where you thought you heard a difference, it could never be that I'm hearing what is real and you are wrong.  It must always be you are right.   And since you leave no way at all of adjudicating such questions, or learning if you are wrong, the only retort you leave yourself is to Lord it over anyone who disagrees  - as you are claiming...with zero evidence... to have superior hearing capabilities to me.

Let's see, how plausible is this brag?

Well, I've been an audiophile obsessed with sound for most of my 58 years.  Been a musician too.  I've been obsessed with live vs reproduced sound for so long I've done recordings and comparisons of live vs reproduced.  I have been so obsessed with sound that it became my livelihood - I work in pro sound post production doing sound for film and TV.  I am typically balancing and mixing the audio of up to 60 tracks at a time. I am manipulating sound all day long down to the finest nuance, literally matching the "air tone" of different rooms.  I guarantee you would not be able to pick out many of the things I can pick out in tracks.

I've heard countless super high end systems. I've been an audio reviewer, and have had friends in the industry for decades, still hearing lots of the best of the best stuff. (My friend's system is currently cabled up with about $50,000...just for the cabling!).  My reviewer friends call me to listen because they trust my ears to hear things they will miss.  Etc etc.

But...nope...you have somehow diagnosed that I must have cloth ears compared to your "capabilities."

Well, anyone can claim "capabilities."  I can claim to hear angels singing in the background on Kind Of Blue.  Oh, you can't hear them?  Poor you...you must lack my "capabilities."  I can say that stuff all I want to puff myself up and lord it over you.  Except you'd immediately recognize I haven't given an ounce of evidence for my brag.  So we'd be even ;-)

I've actually been willing to truly put my ears to the test - to see when I can hear differences WITHOUT the knowledge of what I'm hearing.  Apparently this is experience you lack.   And so long as you continue to lack this experience of really putting your claims to a test where you might fail,   then I'm sorry, the claims fail to impress.

 

 

Your post is nonsensical. I heard 8 Dacs. 1 sounded shrill in the MR, 7 did not. 2 others did not appeal. I quite liked 5.How cn you say I am wrong when I compared 8?

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm pointing out you COULD be wrong.  Because people can imagine differences that aren't there.

You aren't Superman.

Do you have ANY idea why blind and double-blind testing is used in scientific studies?

Are you aware AT ALL of the fallibility of human perception?  There's only a billion studies showing this.

This thread like every such thread just shows this inherent personal dogmatism.

People in the "If I hear it it's real" camp simply can not admit they could be wrong. Don't even seem to realize it's a possibility.  It's fairly astonishing to ignore that much about the human condition.

 

Alright - comparing the 8 I listened to the Topping was unlistenable for me with Callas' Casta Diva compared to the other 7. Happy now?. How can I imagine differences when I did not even know what the fricken Dac was? It was the last on the list by far. I have noticed that ESS Sabre chips are not to my liking.

If you stream most of your music like I do the DAC isn’t the issue, it is getting a pristine a stream as possible. The streaming services are the bottleneck IMO.

Find ways to upgrade your network, your ethernet, reduce the noise and jitter coming from your streamer, etc. Upgrade your content with hirez downloads, vinyl if that is your thing, etc.