Thiel Owners

Happy Standard Time All

tom 

When I started upgrading the speakers I ran single wires from the 3 speakers , with the coaxial mid/tweeter wires + running together and the - running together separated thru the original holes in the coaxial chamber down the width of the back of the speaker behind the woofer and thru the original holes in the bracing that separates the woofer from where the crossovers are .  I kept this setup until my experimenting with the single speaker wiring showed me that while It seemed like I was hearing a more dynamic sound over time I discovered that there was a graininess to it after going back to using Cardas Neutral Reference speaker cables I decided to try twisting the internal wires  into +/- pairs like the the wiring in Thiel speakers (if you remember my speakers had 16awg wires constructed with +/- running together in parallel , one reason that I started the upgrading) , this resulted in a smoother sound .

Maybe the 3 wire single polarity twist will solve the graininess .  I look forward to your findings on this setup .    

Robert - As I recall your parallel internal wires were MonsterCable or equivalent. Twisted pairs (as in stock Thiel) address the relevant problems, plus they are what Jim designed with, considering their inherent capacitance, inductance and resistance. If I land on Kimber MST or the Iconoclast equivalent, there may be crossover adjustments for the differences in C/L/R from stock wire. These braided runs resolve propagation effects differently than twisted pair; fans believe they do so more elegantly. It seems these effects are too subtle and/or complex to be modeled in obvious ways. I had previously dismissed them due to my lack of understanding of the interacting variables. Ray has encouraged me to include them in my trials.

Previously I had auditioned the Iconoclast braided conductor speaker wire. It is excellent albeit very expensive. I have approached them about virtues and problems with their wire as single runs rather than the +/- runs that I auditioned. And the beat goes on.  

vair68robert

I enjoyed reading about your impressions and thoughts on the new 'Revolver' release. Audiophiles cannot have enough The Beatles in his collection.

Happy Listening!

Thank You jafant

I agree with you about having multiple copies of the Beatles , but I had never sat down and compared them back to back and over and over again like I did with Revolver .  I remember when I bought the re-mastered version of Sgt. Pepper in mono ( my first mono Beatles LP ) listening and hearing differences from the stereo version pressings that I own , the same can be said about Magical Mystery Tour and Revolver . While I like listening to mono versions for being so well mastered I'm still a stereo guy and Giles Martin did a great job with the 50th anniversary releases and the Revolver release . 

I give another listen when my new tonearm arrives and then again when the last crossover capacitors arrive from Clarity , finishing ( maybe ) my speaker upgrade .

tomthiel

It was JSC 16awg speaker wire that is 3n purity ,  

I used Cardas 17.5awg for the tweeter and mid and 15.5awg for the woofer .