My audio system and streaming service are not yet on speaking terms. Help needed.


For 15 years I have enjoyed my primary home audio system to play a large CD collection that consists of jazz, rock, pop and classical, including some SACDs, using an OPPO BDP-95 as my player, Anthem electronic (AVM 20 and MCA 50), Paradigm Signature S2s on custom stands adjusted to my listening height and a Velodyne DD-15 in a room that allows for proper placement of the speakers and subwoofer along with decor that doubles as room treatment. It is hardly high end compared to some of the great systems some of you have assembled, but it has worked well for me, creating an immersive listening experience with a wide soundstage, clarity of placement of instruments and a balanced and naturally sounding output that is detailed but not harsh.

It's only been more recently that I turned to streaming services, first to stream in my vehicles, than through a pair of powered speakers set up in my home gym so I can more easily listen to music while I work out. I chose Tidal, enjoyed the quality of the sound and the ability to create playlists and explore deeper tracks or related artists, but I have not compared it yet to other streaming services. I have the Todal app on both my iPhone and iMac.

Then my Oppo conked out. While I do plan to try what might be a simple fix, with some emailed instructions from Oppo, I'd like to integrate my two systems, and am truly a newbie in that task. 

I currently use an Eero Mesh server and will soon have the option to upgrade my home Internet to Fiberoptic as that infrastructure was just added to my neighborhood this past couple of weeks, with the connection to my home coming sometime later this month. My listening room is on the first floor, as is the room with my modem and router. 

As for budget, while I don't have any real cap, I prefer to consider options in multiple price ranges, weighing marginal gains versus costs, before deciding. I would prefer to have the flexibility to transfer my disks to an external hard drive for ease of use. I have two 8 TB G-Technology external drives that I have long used to backup computer files, and store video that would consume too much space on my iMac drive, but lack the hardware to burn my CDs to those drives. So I have need for a music server or NAS drive in addition to a music streamer. My CD/SACD selection has been carefully acquired and curated by is hardly massive, no more than a thousand or so. 

As I mentioned, I do enjoy creating and tweaking playlists, so would be open to trying ROON to compare its use to using Tidal directly. I'd also like the ability to share playlists, including with people who use a different streaming service than I do, as I get as much delight sharing music as listening to it, a byproduct of being in a band a long time ago.

So please do fire away with suggestions, issues to consider and your own experiences -- most of you have vastly more experience than I do, so I appreciate whatever you can share.

 

 

jonsher

@jonsher try searching Bill Charlap Trio. It comes up for me in both qobuz and tidal. 
As a matter of fact, I haven’t yet come across an album that was in Qobuz but not in Tidal. The other way around, very frequently. And the selection that Tidal has that’s missing in Qobuz is of really nice stuff (jazz, etc.)

As for sound quality I prefer Qobuz for the majority of my listening but there are some cases where the same album sounds better on Tidal. In other words, it depends.

So here’s my $0.05 as fas as to roon or not…

When to Roon - combination of the following: your music is ripped to a drive, you use one or more of the streaming services, your streamer does not come with a user friendly UI. You are running into blank artwork for your ripped albums and cannot live like that. 
In all other cases Roon is a nice to have. 
 

I may have missed a use case for or against…so I’m sure other will jump in

@soix -- thanks for the suggestion and rationale; definitely something for me to consider.

@audphile1 Thanks for the detailed overview of Roon. I tend to listen to music with my eyes shut, so album art isn't critical.

Charlap records under both the Bill Charlap Trio (BlueNote) and the New York Trio (Venus Records). The former includes bassist Peter Washington and drummer Kenny Washington and is the trio he tours with; the latter is a studio-only trio with Bill Stewart and Jay Leonhart and is not on Tidal. He's released 8 CDs with the New York Trio:

Blues In The Night (Venus) 2001
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
The Things We Did Last Summer (Venus) 2002
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
Love You Madly (Venus) 2003
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
Stairway To The Stars (Venus) 2004
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
Begin The Beguine (Venus) 2005
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
Always (Venus) 2008
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
Thou Swell (Venus) 2009
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart
 
I’m Old Fashioned (Venus) 2010
Bill Charlap, Jay Leonhart, Bill Stewart

Here's the opening track from Stairway To The Stars: 

 

The Innuos Zenith MKIII would be a great move- a lot of bang for $4.5K. If the $$$ amount is too steep on that a lot of people get good use from Bluesound products. I think the Vault 2i is going for $1.3K but I can’t speak as to whether it offers better streaming options.

Did the OP ever define a budget?  Also in his lengthy first post I’m trying to figure out the essential issue.  Was he using the Oppo as a streamer, and wondering what to replace it with?  Or is he looking for a different service?

There are a couple of ways to add streaming to your Anthem / Paradigm setup. Unfortunately, the Anthem pre/pro doesn't have a USB input so you'll need a streamer or PC that has optical or coax digital outputs unless you want to buy a separate DAC. (Macs these days don't usually have built-in digital outputs.) Alternatively, you could connect the headphone output of the iMac directly to an input on the AVM 20, if that's convenient, although it could be suboptimal from a noise perspective.

 

Here's an example from my system. In the basement, I have a Benchmark HPA4 as the preamp with the AHB2 as the power amp. I use a Benchmark DAC 3B as the digital source. A Raspberry Pi functions as a streamer and is connected to the DAC via USB. My Oppo UDP-203 is connected to the DAC using coax SPDIF. The TV is connected to the DAC using optical SPDIF. I use a remote control to switch digital inputs on the DAC and use my phone to control the streaming software on the Raspberry Pi. I can choose to playback files stored on a shared drive on my Mac mini or stream from Qobuz using an Android app called BubbleUPnP.

 

Hopefully this gives you some ideas. Good luck on getting the Oppo fixed.