SUT - electrical theory and practical experience

@rauliruegas 

Your latter post about preferring an integrated "phonolinestage" over separate phono and pre-amplifier would also logically favor an integrated pre-amplifier / amplifier over separate components, so I'm not so sure that your ideal preference holds true to real life experience. 

I think this video from Veritasium does a rather informative job of explaining how current actually travels:

I believe it is the field that “flows” around the conductor.

no it doesn’t travel in the wires but in the surrounding electromagnetic fields, and electrons don’t "flow" in the wires, either in AC or DC,

The electrons actually do flow, just not very fast.
And without the wire there, the field doesn’t really propagate the same way.
It will not :know” where to go, and in a 100km long wire or a SUT, how will it know to have a 1:10 ratio, etc.

and in a wire with no resistance, the current flow is instantaneous, whether 0.001 m long or 100,000 m long.

They are not instantaneous, as the electric field propagates as the speed of light/dielectric constant.

The electric field essentially pushes, or sweeps, the electrons along.

The electric field can be super high, but with no current there is little or no magnetic field. And the voltage (electric field) can be super low, but have a massive current… and then we get little electric field and a huge magnetic field.

in the devices we are considering the impedance is not zero like in a super conductor, nor it is it infinite… it is pretty constant. So there is a fixed proportionality between the voltage and current… and hence a fixed proportionality between the electric and magnetic fields.

I suppose the magnetic properties of the silver and copper account for the difference in sound, and while I really don’t know all the details, I don’t know that the method by which a signal is transmitted in a transistor is any better than a transformer

There are all sorts of hypothesis as to why the metal choice might impart a different sound, but most are a bit light and fact and oversubscribed in magic.
It is possible that the dielectric is as important as the metal.

In a transformer, similarly it is possible that the core material is as important as the choice of wire used for the windings.

In a “Field Effect Transistor” (FET) it is the electric field that controls the gate.
In a Bipolar Junction Transistor, the current flow controls the junction.

Thanks for sharing those details.  I don’t know the details of how a FET works, but I’m sure it has its deficiencies, as does the SUT.

A FET works more like a valve/tube.
If you like transimpedance (current based) amps, they are more than likely a BJT.

When that the SUT amplifies/increase voltage.

Deficiencies:
It is more design approach than a deficiency. The FET or the BJT may have more noise compared to one another, or across the different examples of the same devices.

The SUT has resistance, inductance and some capacitance. And hence a finite bandwidth. But many transistors have capacitance effects that limit their bandwidth. 

And how high can one really hear?

If in doubt on the SUT, it may be better to slightly undershoot ratio, than to wildly overshoot the ratio… and especially if the cart has a high output impedance.

I think that 0.00003 seconds (1/c) is essentially instantaneous to the human mind and ear….just ask the digital guys about sampling, etc. . . 

Correct one cannot tell the difference in speed by ear, but that point was in relation to your statement on copper versus silver wires. The dielectric also plays a role.

In the SUT the core also play a bit of a similar role to the magnetic field, that the dielectric played upon the electric field..

It is not altogether clear, that one can easily tease out all the nuance.
And if we get a good wild eyed sales person going full on passionate, then they can appear to be conjuring a pretty compelling story.

Back to deficiencies…  we have three camps:

1. Pure electronics voltage gain
2. SUT + voltage gain
3. Current gain

The circuit designers all make good examples in each, so pick your poison.
If you have a CH phono stage, your problems are different than someone with out an existing phono stage.

Hi @pindac ,

I’m agree that EAR834p has rich and bloat the lowest frequencies character. This character of the schematic remained despite improving bass resolution and dynamics, and more clean and open height frequencies in the better implemented version. Another factor are speakers. My Altec 604E speakers have dry bass. So it works good all together at least for my taste and for classical and jazz music that I like to listen.
But I can’t agree that all SUTs have the similar sound characteristics. I heard SUT in my system that have thin sound. And in my experience, the difference between different SUTs is huge.

Regards,

Alex