room size question.


( wasnt sure what category to put this in ,so figured this one would get more views)

 

in watching some you tube videos, one from Jays audio lab, and another one from Paul ( ps audio ), they both mention how the speakers should be set up in the room and it seems they bring them out into the room quite a bit.    they say that when this happens, you have the soundstage and jay was mentioning that there are layers that one gets to hear when listening.

my question i guess is that can this same thing happen in a smaller room, say 12x12 or is one just limited to say center imaging due to room size ?

room is treated

 

this is the ps audio video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x63RORq8JMw

jays video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOWcvbfNZw

bshaw

@bshaw 

My room is also 12x12 but one size doesn’t fit all due the characteristics of the speaker so experimentation is key. In my situation, the front center of the speakers are 44” from the front wall and 36” from the side walls. So my speakers are approximately 6’ from each other and my sitting position. This resulted in a large soundstage both side to side and front to back. Just as important is the toe-in. Too much and you lose some of the soundstage and too little you lose some of the center imaging. 
 

Best wishes experimenting.

@bshaw 

OK  , measuring your speakers ( great looking ) from the center to the side wall at 36" , that would leave you with 62" center to center .  Are you measuring from the front wall to the rear of the speaker ? or to the speaker ? 

Have you tried the acoustical panels on the side walls and the diffusers on the back wall ?

@ronrags @vair68robert 

 

i measured from the back wall to the back of the speaker.     should i measure it from the center of the speaker or the front of the speaker to back wall ?

for the measurement for the side, i am doing from wall to just to the side of the speaker that would face the side wall.     should i measure to the center of the speaker instead ?

i have not tried the acoustical panels in the side walls and diffusors on the back wall.          the diffusors that i have, they cant be hung on the wall.

 

you can try toe-in, moving the speakers like New Record Day suggests, and a little play with the sweet spot. Worst case scenario is your speakers need more space, it’s the first time I hear about the brand (and I am just 15 miles from them). Probably great speakers.

I would unplug the subs first, and experiment with the monitors only. Seems like a lot of speakers for a small room

I agree with grisly by unplugging the subs first. It doesn’t matter whether you measure from the front or back but how it sounds to you. I would try using a good acoustic recording with a single voice. Experiment by moving the speakers forward and then back to see what sounds best. For example, move them say 6” forward and decide what sounds better. Then try somewhere in between until it sounds right to you. Then do the same side to side to possibly form an equilateral triangle from your sitting position. Lastly experiment with toe-in. Start with large increments, then small. 

Remember to take your time and it may take a several tries. If you become frustrated, stop and try later or another day.