Audio Research Reference 150 - buzzing input transformer


Hello everyone, 

I have bought a second hand ARC REF 150 power amplifier (non SE, KT120 tubes) and there was a buzzing noise coming out of the input transformer after few hours. I have detected the noise appears as the amp fully warms up - after about an hour. It goes pretty loud within another 30-45 minutes.

I have taken the amplifier to a friend, a reputable tube amp engineer. He told me the input transformer must be replaced and also that in his opinion it was poorly designed.

I live in Europe so I didn't have the chance of sending the amp to the factory, nevertheless, a new transformer is on its way and I'll get it fixed by an authorized dealer and service. 

I was also told that the problem may happen again and that I should get rid of the amp. 

My question is whether any of you had similiar problems and what the cause can be. I really love the sound of this amp and of course I'd like to keep it. I'd also like to do as much as possible to keep the amplifier safe. 

I have found a very similiar discussion here on Audiogon, I have messaged the OP and he replied he had his transformer replaced afterall - 

 

Is there anything that can cause the transformer to overheat and melt inside? The noise was caused by a vibration of the plates inside the transformer. 

 

My speakers are Tannoys D700, they go down to 3 ohms and I can imagine they are current hungry even tho their sensitivity is 92dB. They worked well with a Classe CA-200 but the ARC sounds a lot better of course. I'm planning of upgrading the speakers in about a year but for now, I'm still very happy with these, it's always a pleasant surprise when I upgrade any piece of gear. 

I have asked the ARC company whether the speakers won't be a problem for this kind of amp. They ensured me I'd be fine and that they test their gear with much more difficult loads. 

The amp never got too hot when I placed my hand on the top of the chassis, the tubes were measured and they're fine, about 1100 hours on them. The amp wasn't in use for a few years before I bought it. 

Thank you for any suggestions.

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🤣… yeah, poorly designed… coming from another engineer. Very typical. They are, in general, an argument I’ve bunch that criticize anything they didn’t design. I would ignore that comment.

Sorry to hear about the transformer noise. It will probably be easier to replace the transformer. I have a power transformer that hums all the time, but it never changes, so I just turn it up a little more. 😃

Very likely it can be DC backwashing into your AC- it makes transformers buzz and hum. PS Audio made a Humbuster to take this out and Emotiva makes an outlet strip to do the same. Both work well. DC can come from a refrig, coffee maker etc. 

Thanks, the transformer will be replaced soon. 

I'm just thinking what kind of precautions I can take so it doesn't happen again. It was quite expensive, plus shipping, custom fees and mainly, it takes time. 

I have a separated circuit for the living room sockets (not for the audio only, yet) but I'd say the power in my apartment is quite stable. 

If there's DC present it doesn't damage the traf immediately, or does it!? My guess is it can get loose but it would take some time, even weeks, right?

iFi and and Van Alstine make a DC killing product:

(Personally, I'd go with the latter ...)