Best turntable under $4000


I am looking to take the next step in my analog journey. I currently am using a Fluance RT85 with ortofon 2m blue. I have a Rogue Audio cronus magnum iii. I am running them with Kef 104/2 's. Fluance seems to get alot of hate on here. I was considering a cartridge upgrade but I am hesitant to upgrade more then the cost of the table. I don't hear much background noise and like the sound. I guess I am wondering if I don't know I hear noise because I have not heard a turntable that eliminates that noise? When I went from my Onkyo to my Rogue Sphinx iii I realized I had been missing a whole lot of sound. Then I ditched my rebuilt EPI M150's and heard hidden instruments in tracks I have listened to for years. I am looking for that in a turntable upgrade.  Apperance is important. I have interest in the following:

Clear Audio Concept Wood w/ maestro v2

Mofi fender precisiondeck w/ mastertracker

Stretching my budget is:

Dr. Feikert Volare no cartridge

Gold Note Pianosa no cartridge

These take me out of my budget once I get a cartridge

Any other reccomendations 

I will miss the autostart function for those buzzed listening nights. I would like the 4k to include a cartridge. Any opinions are welcome. Anyone think I should say screw the "rules" and get an Ortofon black?

 

Thank you in advance

cpdkee

The Thorens td 1500 sub chassis turntable with included Ortofon 2m Bronze cartridge mounted in a SME headshell. It’s getting some great reviews, Analog Planet, HiFi News, .....it also won the EISA best product Award 2022-2023....it is $2999 in the US, however it can be bought for under 2K from Europe, for example Thomanns.....

 

@lewm

Why use the term "fanbois"? Because every time and I do mean every time turntables are discussed, Technics owners come out of the woodwork and say how wonderful the brand is, vintage or new and basically intimate that you would be stupid buying anything else.

They ignore the issue of average to mediocre arms, (hence my comment re a hi end cartridge) and they ignore the cogging issues in vintage Technics. Yes you may well be able to fit a 4 point 9, a Reed or a Schroeder arm to a Technics, but then you would not have a Technics would you?

They also ignore the fact that there is better value available amongst other brands, many of which these fanbois have never even heard of.

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I would take issue with many of your suppositions, but there would be no point. Every major brand has its advocates on this forum, and questions such as the one posed by the OP are bound to elicit support for each of those brands. Or hadn’t you noticed support for SOTA, Rega, Linn, Thorens, and you name it, which predictably pepper all threads about choosing a turntable or what turntable is best? Perhaps you don’t notice those other sets of “fanboys”, because you’re so obsessed with your Technics phobia.

Why not make a constructive suggestion for the OP, instead of wallowing in your bias against Technics?