Network optimization for serious streamers


In my ongoing experiments, now going on seven years, with network optimization for streaming I've discovered a number of optimizations that should work with any ethernet ISP.

 

I've tried a variety of ethernet cables, modems, routers, switches, FMC, ethernet filters, the following is what I've found to be most effective optimizations.

 

I'll start with ISP quality and speed. Recently I discovered 500mbps to be preferable to 300mbps. Along with upgrade in speed, modem capable of 1gb service replaced 600mbps, both have Broadcom chips and powered by same lps. Can't say which more responsible for improvement, speed or modem, presume speed has at least some role in ping time. As for ISP, there is importance in ISP server geographic location to you, shorter distances  means lower ping time. For information as to how ping time affects jitter-https://www.fusionconnect.com/speed-test-plus/ping-jitter-test

 

Now for modems,  modem close to audio system is most favorable, extending coax cable preferable to long ethernet cable. Coax more resistant to rfi and closer positioning to system means one can more easily afford top quality ethernet cable for modem to router connection. The modem should use Broadcom chipset vs. inferior Intel Puma, Broadcom chipset has lower jitter vs the Intel. Modem should be powered via external lps using quality DC and AC cables, lps to power conditioner for ultimate performance.

 

Following close positioning of modem to audio system, router should also be placed near modem in service of same advantage of making highest quality ethernet cable more affordable, in this case, modem to router and router to switches, streamers and NAS. Router should be powered with lps, this lps should be able to provide more amps than router requires in service of providing greater reliability, having lps with reserves of amperage means lps runs cooler, heat is enemy of reliability, longevity. As with modem, quality dc, ac cables and connection to power conditioner.

 

The next finding is new to me, provides very meaningful upgrade to streaming sound quality. Noise from wifi, injected both internally to router and externally with routers sitting close to audio systems has long been a concern to me. I have quality Trifield meter which measures rfi, router with operational wifi manufacture obscenely high levels of rfi, rfi is noise, noise is enemy of streaming at level we're talking about here. And its very likely the more wifi devices one has in home the higher the levels of rfi produced. This noise is then injected into following cables and streaming equipment. One may convince themselves FMC totally isolates this noise, and while correct, it doesn't mitigate the noise and masking going on within router. The only way to eliminate this noise is turning off wifi. And then, how to provide wifi for the many  wifi devices we have at home? The answer is to connect a second router to the primary router. The primary router will only provide ethernet for streamers, switches and/or NAS in audio system, also for the second router.  Second router provides wifi for the home, this scheme keeps vast majority of rfi out of audio system streaming chain. My own measurements find rfi significantly diminished in primary router, more than mulitiples of ten times lower vs wifi enabled. This was seamless install with the Netgear routers I'm using. There may also be value in provisioning higher quality routers. My new primary router, Netgear XR1000 is marketed as a gamer router, claims of lower ping time, latency, jitter vs other routers. Since my old router, Netgear RS7000 didn't have means to monitor ping time I can't provide evidence of this claim. Whatever the case, my XR1000 ping time test measurements are as follows, 25.35ms highest, 16.50ms lowest, this is A+ measurements against objective criteria. Ping time under load is download 25.93ms, upload 37.34ms, idle 17.31ms, this rates as A. My speed of 565gbps rates B grade, likely need 1gb service to get A here. At to how this all pertains to sound quality, adding up the upgrade in ISP speed and the off loading of wifi is without a doubt one of the most substantial, if not most substantial network upgrades I've experienced. While I  long considered my setup as having a vanishing low noise floor, with this setup I heard a new level of vanishing if such a thing is possible. Even more astounding was a more analog like presentation, while I wasn't aware of even the slightest digital presentation prior, this upgrade certainly exposed it was indeed there. It seems logical to conclude there has been some lowering of jitter here.

 

And then we come to the ethernet filter. I suppose audiophile switches can be considered as one, then we have actual filters such as Network Acoustics Muon, my JCAT Net XE and others. I continue to believe these necessary even with the all measures above.

 

Optical conversion is also valid approach post router. While I found generic FMC somewhat effective, at this point I prefer ethernet. On the other hand I've not yet tried optimizing a fiber solution, for example two Sonore OpticalModules, both powered by lps, further upgraded with Finisar optical transceivers.

 

Assuming one has high resolving audio and streaming systems the above network optimizations should provide for substantial sound quality improvements. In my system, perception of performers in room has been taken to a new level of intimacy, meaning a more emotional connection to the performers and performance.

 

At this point, I consider network has been fully optimized, the only upgrade I'm aware of would be ISP upgrade to 1gb.

sns

I got my LHY SW-8 yesterday.  Plugged it in around noon.  It does not get real warm.  My laser thermometer shows 88F on top in a 72F room.  Listened to it from 8-11 PM but fell asleep.  Initial impression for me is a bit quieter background and slightly better bass.  Too soon to tell really.  I am streaming Qobuz with ROON.  I also have  optical in the chain prior to the SW-8.  I did A/B a CD vs 44.1/16 streaming.  Before the CD edged out the streaming.  Now I’m not sure I could tell the difference.

Next to the SW-8 is the power supply for my ROON server.  I also use a LPS for the FMC.

My current list of favorites that I like to stream are:

Live at Grand Central, Carly Simon.  This album gave me goosebumps last night with the SW-8 in place.  The ambience of Grand Central Station comes through with a feeling like being there.  The bass drums come through with great power.  Was never a big Carly Simon fan but this album captivates me.

Dream a Little Dream of Me, Laura Fygi on her Bewitched album.  Terrific and relaxing- was planning to buy the CD but now with the SW-8, I'll wait.

If You Could Read my Mind, Gordon Lightfoot.  In hi-res and sounds terrific.

You Want it Darker, Leonard Cohen.  Several great songs by the Cohen. This one with the choir at the beginning sounds amazing.

Lost without You, Freya Ridings.  Emotional song, bought the CD after streaming it.

I Put a Spell on You, Chantal Chamberland.  Larger than life sound but I never tire of hearing this song.  It's in hi res format.  Sounded the same with the SW-8 to me.

Roger Waters Lockdown Sessions.  Marvelous.  Just marvelous.

Down in the Hole, John Campbell.  Goosebump generating wall rattling music.  Must be played loud to appreciate.

The list goes on but these are just a few.

 

This is an update of previous posts on this thread. I hope you are up to it. Please bear with me.

Let me share my journey tweaking my streaming network that I built around a Small Green Computer bundle. Back when I initially set up this configuration I modeled it exactly after Michael Lavorgna’s, now of Twittering Machines. It was stated that wired ethernet contains a multitude of music destroying noises that must be dealt with. Who was I to argue. At the time I didn’t even know what an ethernet switch was (a free- lance musician and private music teacher leading a sheltered existence) :

FO through wall > ONT > ethernet cat 8 > router > cat 8 > $15 switch > cat 8 > i5 Transporter.

Same switch > cat 8 > FMC > Fiber optic > FMC > cat 8 > ultraRendu with LPS > Pangea Audio Premier SE MKII USB Cable to Benchmark DAC3B.

I had completely solved all power problems in my system to achieve a superior black background. The above still had grunge :

1. I added a LPS with a Y adapter to power both FMC = better

2. I added a LPS to the Transporter = better

3. I replaced the LPS power chords with Pangea Audio AC-14SE MkII = better

4. I wrapped my fiber optical cable in bubble wrap. It seems they are sensitive to vibrations. = better

5. I replaced the 3 post switch cat 8 ethernet cables with Pangea Premier SE = way way way better, but STILL some remaining niggly grunge!

I had not bought into the $700-$2000+ ethernet switch mania. I had bought my $15 plastic covered switch from Home Depot. I did try a more expensive switch and sent it back because I could hear no improvement. I rewired post switch and removed the FMCs. LISTENED. Then I added the FMCs back in. They were definitely improving the sound, by a lot!

6. I ordered a iFi iPower X Ultra Low Noise AC/DC Power Supply for the switch. I took out the FMCs again and installed the new PS. WHAM!! The sound came into complete focus. I reinstalled the FMCs again and now a huge amount of grunge had disappeared.

7. The new Pangea Audio Premier XL MKII USB Cable came on the market, which separates out the 5v current wire from the signal wires. Because my Benchmark DAC was using the 5v current, I replaced my previous Pangea Audio Premier SE MKII USB Cable (same wire and connecters) and wiped another smear of noise from the window. This is the single biggest improvement of all these suggestions.

8. Shutting the WIFI off in my primary router and using a wireless access point to regain WIFI for the house. It has been less than 24 hours since I did this but the result seems principally in opening up the soundstage : width, depth, and clearer separation.

9. I have lived with this for two weeks and I gradually became aware of a persistent coloration that I eventually came to realize was masking the harmonic structure of the sound. Once I defined the problem there was no ignoring it. The problem had to be solved.

I started digesting the suggestions in this thread for optimizing an optical filter as I watched the $$$ mount. I remembered that Mr. Lavorgna moved on by replacing his optical filter with a GagaFOIL. I found some a thread on this very subject, and some level-headed fellow suggested removing the filter for a listen before proceeding. It was simple to connect an ethernet cable directly from my switch to the Sonore ultraRendu. I pushed play on Qobuz not knowing what to expect. Not only was the coloration banished, but the musicians exploded into the room, the result of expanded dynamic freedom . I was sitting there like a 1 year old that had seen his first Jack-in-the-Box! I stayed up late last evening listening to favorites with profound new revelations at every turn of phrase.

This morning I decided to redo the test I had done previously comparing Dudamel conducting Ives Symphony 2 : Qobuz 24/96 vs CD 16/44.1. The first time I reported that they sounded identical. Now they did not. The Qobuz sounded like a SACD being compared to a CD, which is what it should sound like when comparing different resolutions. The CD sounded like the colored generic-optical stream and the all-wired stream of Qobuz sounded much more open and revealing of detail!

My network is now simplified being all wired ethernet with no optical:

FO through wall > ONT > ethernet cat 8 > router > cat 8 > $15 switch w/iFi PS > Pangea ethernet > i5 Transporter w/LPS

Same switch > Pangea ethernet > ultraRendu with LPS > Pangea Audio Premier SE MKII USB Cable to Benchmark DAC3B.

Now I am going to jump into the weeds and try to draw some conclusions :

a. There are two ways to skin-this-ethernet-cat : All wired or conversion to all optical, both can sound equally good.

b. What was the source of this needing an optical filter to clean wired noise? : primarily WIFI proximity in router combos, the inverse square law at work. Also those dreaded SMPS did their harm. With these two noises sources eliminated wired ethernet sounds completely clean, no longer needing a filter.

c. I am sensing the optical filter could remove some, but not all of this upstream noise suggesting a confirmation of sns’s assertion of signal damage. This could and should be investigated by someone with the right equipment and expertise. What happens to the square wave when subjected to intense RFI in these router combos?

d. Wired network optimization now consists of the tried and true audiophile tweaks of quality cabling and ALL THINGS POWER. Optical network optimization needs the highest quality converters with additional LPS, transceivers and optical cable. BOTH need to use separate Wireless-Access-Point. This can be effective, but is it necessary? It sure is expensive.

e. IMHO, for those newly setting up their network, I highly recommend all Pangea digital cables, the highest model only, available with a 30 day return. Give them a listen against the mega-buck cables and see what you think.

Am I done? This post reveals that I make no changes in my system unless I have clearly defined a problem that needs a solution. I listen to music with my trained and experienced musician’s ears. Problems always surface when I get frustrated trying to parse more meaning out of the performance/sound. My system has been meticulously tweaked. When one first starts tweaking, the sonic changes are minute because there are still so many problems masking clarity. However, as you get to the end, each new tweak is a revelation/game-changer. They are harder to find but Oh-so-rewarding. If I can find anything new I’ll report back.

This was a 3 1/2 year journey. I learned a ton along the way. I hope it is helpful to someone else.

@tonywinga have you tried the LHY switch earlier in the chain ahead of your first FMC? Kind of like a pre filter? I have 2 Ethernet switches ahead of my FMC, one at the router, one in my listening room leading into my fiber. Then copper with a isolator into my server,streamer. Only clocking is on the USB side going into my LessLoss Echos End. 
 

Clean, detailed, black background, all the Audiophile cliches…..

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