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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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@thespeakerdude Am I correct to assume that Dolby is counting on the listener to use time alignment algorithms in the everyday playback system? The difference in original mixing position and final listening position is probably about 5 feet difference in a typical room. You saying the sound is dominant corresponding to the L,C,R direct sound is interesting because in 5.1 the L,R, surround speakers play a bigger part and in music sometimes a critical part if the mixer is willing to take chances. Based on the best mixed Atmos music I've heard it really sound like a big stereo mix and the brave mixers were wearing the same hat as the early stereo mixers (Beatles) who panned hard L,R info commonly. Active speakers have different time arrival info than passive systems if Dolby does not assume DSP in every system the emperor has no clothes, if you know what I mean. Object oriented sound panning info. works no matter what the acoustic environment.

This is a great example of the silliness that audiophiles live under. They worry about time alignment to within ½ inch but active passive circuits have at least 4 milliseconds of latency in the original recordings if there are digital and passive circuits involved, there is no way to see or hear that much time differences because it is invisible to the post production mixer on movies or live recordings. 

This is a great example of the silliness that audiophiles live under.

This entire thread has been hijacked by confusion and has now morphed into silliness.
You are comparing consumers (audiophiles) with creators (artists, mixers, and mastering engineers).

Did you notice how much more you liked listening to your Paradigm speakers then your Genelecs? Did you worry about time alignment or did you enjoy the moment? Just like you changed speakers you have to leave your analytic ears at the mixing station and your relaxation ears to your other rig. I think having them both in the same room is why you are getting mixed up.

 

@donavabdear You are correct, but let’s not call it time alignment, as that usually refers to a speaker correction algorithm. More accurate would be delay correction. Then throw in volume correction (and maybe frequency response correction). ATMOS to work properly must be calibrated to the listening (or mixing) position.

 

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"correction" this may be the reason you are getting mixed up:

 but let’s not call it time alignment, as that usually refers to a speaker correction algorithm. More accurate would be delay correction. Then throw in volume correction 

Correction this has now gone past confusion and morphed into silliness

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Think how you would have avoided the potholes you are hitting if you would have stuck to the premise you started with in this thread. A matched system of processor/preamp and active speakers and you would have saved budget and aggravation.

Don’t attempt to DIY a fix, it is too expensive when you are talking over six figures into a room (or maybe two when you consider your mix station.) Get a good system integrator familiar with the brands you like, let them do the heavy lifting and kick back.