Ray Charles - "Rap is not music"

An item of interest might be "monogenre-ism" vs "multigenre-ism"? Which is my way of asking how broad is the musical interest of an individual, or group?

One CAN be a Mozart fan.  AND, an Elvis fan.  AND, a Beatles fan.  There are no conflicts here.  A little SRV tossed in on a good day might be okay, too.  Is this a typical "profile" of the musical diverse?

That being said, have we explored some of the music we "don't like", and before passing judgement, determined if there are other music interests of that individual?  And, is this the typical group dynamic for those supporting the genre?   Perhaps, they are musically "diverse.  Or, perhaps, locked into one genre, thus marooned from other musical experiences?

And, are some of us "monogenre-ic" with the music WE love as well?

I was about to post this very sentiment when I read your post @acman3 .

*** Why is it insulting to consider Rap poetry instesd of music? ***

Feeling and saying that rap is not music is not an insult at all when it simply doesn’t meet one’s definition of such. There is plenty of poetry that is on an artistic level far higher than a lot of what undeniably is music. So what is the problem? Seems to me that the problem is that those who bristle at the expressed notion that it is not music, but is poetry instead have a bias against poetry. It is THEY who need to be more open minded.

The argument ought not to be whether or not it is music, but whether or not it is art, which it most certainly is, and a highly marketable art form at that, having gained and maintained a place of prominence in entertainment media for some 45 years.

Ok folks -

We are 75 posts deep on this discussion.

Has the discussion moved the greater understanding forward at all?  Anyone's underlying beliefs shift at all?

That's what I thought.  Let's just put it down and go back to rolling tubes and swapping out cartridges and putting cables on risers, stuff we all agree on.  Kindly use the rubber bullets when you take aim.  😉

Happy Saturday,

Rich 

@simao

 It seems like you have  real problem with anyone who doesn't agree with YOUR opinion. Trying to put down someone for the number of posts they made?Give me a break! You obviously have posted alot. I don't think that makes you an "authority" on anything. You are just very "opinionated".  Now, you have thrown out the "race card" because someone doesn't agree with you. 

So, just to be clear, the question was "Do you agree or disagree with Ray Charles comment about Rap not being considered " music".

As someone who learned to play the piano at age 5, drums at age 10, played in the band, orchestra, marching band etc.and a couple of garage bands in the 60's early seventies, I learned to play instruments, read music, harmonize vocals, and keep a steady beat. Now, if you look up the definition of " musician" you will find that entails being able to have some degree of mastery of an instrument.

I admire a great number of musicians,  who have a great deal of musicianship, vocal range, etc. And, FYI many just happen to be black.

With that being said, I don't see that it takes alot of "musicianship" or "vocal range" to be a "rap singer".  Only the ability to rhyme (not necessarily poetically), and keep a beat.  The fact that women are more than referred to in degrading terms ( " ho" *itches") does little to endear my ears to that ilk.

HOWEVER, if you, or others deem that music, be my guest.

You are welcome to listen to whatever you like.

BTW, because Ray Charles didn't consider rap music, are you calling him a racist?