Why HiFi Gear Measurements Are Misleading (yes ASR talking to you…)


About 25 years ago I was inside a large room with an A-frame ceiling and large skylights, during the Perseid Meteor Shower that happens every August. This one time was like no other, for two reasons: 1) There were large, red, fragmenting streaks multiple times a minute with illuminated smoke trails, and 2) I could hear them.

Yes, each meteor produced a sizzling sound, like the sound of a frying pan.

Amazed, I Googled this phenomena and found that many people reported hearing this same sizzling sound associated with meteors streaking across the sky. In response, scientists and astrophysicists said it was all in our heads. That, it was totally impossible. Why? Because of the distance between the meteor and the observer. Physics does not allow sound to travel fast enough to hear the sound at the same time that the meteor streaks across the sky. Case closed.

ASR would have agreed with this sound reasoning based in elementary science.

Fast forward a few decades. The scientists were wrong. Turns out, the sound was caused by radiation emitted by the meteors, traveling at the speed of light, and interacting with metallic objects near the observer, even if the observer is indoors. Producing a sizzling sound. This was actually recorded audibly by researchers along with the recording of the radiation. You can look this up easily and listen to the recordings.

Takeaway - trust your senses! Science doesn’t always measure the right things, in the right ways, to fully explain what we are sensing. Therefore your sensory input comes first. You can try to figure out the science later.

I’m not trying to start an argument or make people upset. Just sharing an experience that reinforces my personal way of thinking. Others of course are free to trust the science over their senses. I know this bothers some but I really couldn’t be bothered by that. The folks at ASR are smart people too.

nyev

@amir_asr 

 A member sent me over $35K worth of Chord DACs and processors to test.  You think he is living his mother's house?  Heck, his power cords probably cost more than what some people invest in their entire system!  Here is one of his cables, the Nordost Tyr 2:

What does that have to do with what I asked. A “member “ can send you a bunch of stuff for various reasons. Does that make you feel happy and accomplished with your life?

 

Also, if he spent so much money on a cable (assuming not a $20 Ali fake), don’t you think he is NOT your audience?

 

 

@prof : don’t be shocked. We both know what I mean. Are you still in good terms with master? All the good work you are doing here must pay dividends and must not go unnoticed by master 😉

^^^^ This from the guy trying to "tut tut" Amir for being insulting.

 

Grow up.

 

please describe your test protocols you conducted in choosing your current speakers vs. the Devore speakers you must surely conducted when choosing your current speakers

 

If you bothered to read my posts that I linked to you’d know the answer: No blind test. All sighted conditions.

Which means I happily admit some forms of bias may be playing part in my impressions. But I’ve defended why I’m fine with that many times on ASR. Unlike, say, the case of super high priced USB cables, it is not technically controversial that different speaker designs sound different. In fact it is well documented in theory and practice. So, while sighted bias can always play a roll, it is not at all implausible to be hearing distinct character differences between different speaker designs.

If you think you have found some "gotcha" (which is all you care about) you haven’t a clue.

If you find this confusing or seemingly inconsistent, it’s because you see things as "either/or" and don’t care to understand a nuanced position where both objective and subjectivity play a roll. So, check your own dogmatism.

 

@prof I will not pretend I read your reply. I did not. Unlike you, I will not be a hypocrite.

 

‘’My question is: I thought you bid me farewell? No? It hurts?

@prof :

No blind test. All sighted conditions.

So, you admit this, but, at the same time, you questioned someone’s findings without posting proof of blind test? I call this hypocrisy. Please correct me if I misunderstood

 

prof

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@ other Anecdotes are not that evidence 

BTW, you say you’ve distinguished all sorts of things in blind tests, including USB and AC cables? Can you describe your test protocol?

 

 

 

@prof I will not pretend I read your reply.

 

Of course you didn't.  Your trollish behavior was obvious in every post.

Now, I'm not sure what some people get out of such behavior on forums, but...hey...if you choose to keep sitting yourself in the dunking cage to throw out ham-fisted "critiques" and attempts to insult...don't be surprised if you keep getting dunked ;-)