I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements

@kota1 - thanks for your reply. I think the argument perhaps needs to be separated out into two strands. If your essential argument is that - measurements don't reveal how a component sounds and that the reveal even less how a component will sound in a given system - then by and large, I agree with you. At component level (with some exceptions as set out below ( and for clarity, I mean for example, a CD player and not the individual components in the player) unless measurements reveal gross defects then they say little enough about sound quality and certainly do not describe sound quality in substantive way. The same applies cumulatively at system level.

The exceptions to the above are that certain measurements of amplifiers do correlate pretty well with subjective sound quality. For example, SET amps tend to measure pretty similarly in regard to their levels of harmonic distortion and that is subjectively audible. Secondly, there is a reasonable correlation between loudspeaker measurements and aspects of subjective sound quality. But for completeness, I am not arguing that those correlations are in any way comprehensive.

Going back to the basic argument, I still feel that it's a leap of logic from there to concluding that measurements are not useful. The progress of science depends on the formulation of hypotheses and repeatably testing and validating. The more engineers and designers measure, the better they can understand the relationship between their design choices and the subjective performance of their designs.

Sheesh,

Another ASR battle. 
Love him or hate him, WE are here to have fun and share our stories.

I watched his videos for a while and did not find them useful and moved on, but I’m not going to call anyone names who still watch.

Sheesh.

@kota1 

third party measurements are there to validate manufacturer claims. But lots of people refuse to understand this basic fact.

That's what stereophile does but they don't hand out prizes or shame the product. 

Look at the critics shaming not only products but entire companies because of a measurement that has no bearing on how a product will act in MY chain of products.

I think the argument perhaps needs to be separated out into two strands.

That is a lot of arguing.

If your essential argument is that - measurements don’t reveal how a component sounds and that the reveal even less how a component will sound in a given system - then by and large, I agree with you

+1

The exceptions to the above are that certain measurements of amplifiers do correlate pretty well with subjective sound quality.

I agree that they sell power numbers on receivers with either two channels driven or all channels driven, this is inconsistent. As long as they state which one I wouldn’t say its bogus.

I still feel that it’s a leap of logic from there to concluding that measurements are not useful.

I am tired of bogus measurements, the publisher of the measurements can be matter of fact, like stereophile or simply foaming at the mouth with anger trying to shame not just the company, but their customers. It isn’t just ASR, audioholics does this too along with goldensound. You can find a product YOU like that didn't measure best in class. The opposite is also true. You have no idea how a group of products will sound when assembled, in various rooms, based on anything, especially bogus measurements.

In the early days of consumer hifi retailing, we used a measurement that REALLY mattered: 

KPD -- "Knobs Per Dollar"